Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

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Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Fenrich » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:00 am

Before I Play This, I Just Have One Ask
Whether or not All Heroine in this VNis Virgin?
Especially Lily And Hanako
I Know Its not Important to the others but important to me.. i just play VN who have virgin heroine..
Thanks :D

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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Steinherz » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:05 am

Fenrich wrote:Before I Play This, I Just Have One Ask
Whether or not All Heroine in this VNis Virgin?
Especially Lily And Hanako
I Know Its not Important to the others but important to me.. i just play VN who have virgin heroine..
Thanks :D
Well Lilly is the only one who's explicitly mentioned to have her hymen break during her first H-Scene. So yes on Lilly.
And Hanako... she's obviously in pain in hers.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Fenrich » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:09 am

Steinherz wrote:
Fenrich wrote:Before I Play This, I Just Have One Ask
Whether or not All Heroine in this VNis Virgin?
Especially Lily And Hanako
I Know Its not Important to the others but important to me.. i just play VN who have virgin heroine..
Thanks :D
Well Lilly is the only one who's explicitly mentioned to have her hymen break during her first H-Scene. So yes on Lilly.
And Hanako... she's obviously in pain in hers.
Well Thanks For Answering My Question :D , So I Just Ignore Emi And Shizune Route
I Should Play Lily And Hanako As Soon As Possible

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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by pandaphil » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:26 am

Lilly always struck me as a strange case. shes obviously not shy about sex. Odd that her "healthy adolescent sex drive" is something shes only just realized she has.

Fenrich wrote:Before I Play This, I Just Have One Ask
Whether or not All Heroine in this VNis Virgin?
Especially Lily And Hanako
I Know Its not Important to the others but important to me.. i just play VN who have virgin heroine..
Thanks :D

A bit strange, but okay. A shame as Emi's story is quite nice.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Fenrich » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:49 am

pandaphil wrote:Lilly always struck me as a strange case. shes obviously not shy about sex. Odd that her "healthy adolescent sex drive" is something shes only just realized she has.

A bit strange, but okay. A shame as Emi's story is quite nice.

yeah a bit strange, i just likes VN Has Virgin Heroine :lol: When I Look At HCG No Virgin blood In There But I'm Glad Lily And Hanako Is Virgin heroine, So What About Rin,Emi And Shizune?

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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by pandaphil » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:10 am

Fenrich wrote:
pandaphil wrote:Lilly always struck me as a strange case. shes obviously not shy about sex. Odd that her "healthy adolescent sex drive" is something shes only just realized she has.

A bit strange, but okay. A shame as Emi's story is quite nice.

yeah a bit strange, i just likes VN Has Virgin Heroine :lol: When I Look At HCG No Virgin blood In There But I'm Glad Lily And Hanako Is Virgin heroine, So What About Rin,Emi And Shizune?
NP. So lets see. Don't know about Shizune, as I still haven't played her story. Rin, nobody really knows as her backstory is something of a mystery. And Emi, she seems to quite enjoy sex, and she mentions she had a boyfriend once before. So one just sort of assume she's done it before. But again, its never stated one way or the other.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by ProfAllister » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:38 am

Well, first of all, What the fuck?

Seriously, that's one of the shallowest, most judgmental standards possible. I'm well aware that it's extremely common, but seriously? For the sake of argument, let's propose that Lily wasn't a virgin, for whatever reason. Would that make the relationship any less by that mere fact alone? Does she really become a lesser individual because she's has sex before? Regardless of the circumstances?

And if you're extreme to the point of requiring bleeding, you're in for a nasty surprise if you ever have sex with a virgin in the real world (and if you've already had sex, with a virgin or otherwise, good on you - it's irrelevant). For many women, the hymen is stretchy and doesn't break after the first time, or only partially breaks. Not to mention the fact that for some women, usually as the result of some physical trauma, it will break without them ever having sex.

And no, I'm not saying "it's no big deal." I'm saying "it's a huge fucking deal that you would categorically declare a woman not worth your time if there's even an implication that she's possibly had sex before."

Seriously. That's messed up on SO MANY levels.

As far as each of the girls goes, if you REALLY want to get into it...

Lilly bleeds. That's the traditional indicator, but the people from the "Lilly is a lying manipulative bitch" school of thought will readily point out that the bleeding can be easily faked.
Hanako is in pain. This could be the pain from the "first time" or it could be the irritation of dryness because she isn't physically stimulated.
Emi had a boyfriend before Hisao. Anything more than that is pure speculation.
Rin comments about losing her "marital purity."
Shizune is very forward and eager, but that's just Shizune. She also acts like she's never seen a penis before.
Misha says it's her first time with a boy. Pretty straightforward.

But again, this isn't a "Why do you care?" It's a "what the fuck is wrong with you?" I'm sorry for coming off so harsh, but there are several things EXTREMELY problematic with your outlook.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Aura » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:01 am

All the girls have been deflowered by gigantic space horse demons with twelve pus-festering dicks spewing poisonous semen. Hisao gets sloppy seconds.

P.S. If you guys are interested in some real WTF (for science), here's an actual database of eroge heroine virginity statuses, with hundreds if not thousands of meticulously researched entries: http://virgindb.g.ribbon.to/
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Nekken » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:12 am

pandaphil wrote:Lilly always struck me as a strange case. shes obviously not shy about sex. Odd that her "healthy adolescent sex drive" is something shes only just realized she has.
She was a Catholic schoolgirl. This plays right into the associated tropes.

AFAICT, only two are stated outright: Lilly was, while Emi was not. It's reasonably safe to assume that Hanako was, though.

With the other three, it's much harder to tell. Misha's wording is ambiguous, and for reasons which become apparent later in her story, even the "worst" case depends very heavily on how you define things. Shizune makes quite a show of acting experienced, but there are some pretty strong reasons to believe that this is only for show.

And then there is Rin. She's Rin, and that's about all that can really be said. There are none of the traditional signs, but those signs have never been particularly reliable anyway. She says some things which seem to imply she was, and there's no reason to believe that she's lying, but there is reason to believe that she might not actually mean what the words seem to say: this happens all the time. The bottom line is that it's flat-out impossible to tell.

And yeah, let me close with a string of :? :? :? :? :?
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by ProfAllister » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:25 am

Nekken wrote:AFAICT, only two are stated outright: Lilly was, while Emi was not.
Please indicate, with citations where it's explicitly stated that Emi is not a virgin. I honestly missed that part.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Sea » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:11 pm

Nekken wrote: And yeah, let me close with a string of :? :? :? :? :?
Yeah, this whole topic is slightly disturbing in the fact that someone is influenced by this. Ah well, aura cleared it all up: none of them are, so let's move on
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Loonie » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:14 pm

Aura wrote:All the girls have been deflowered by gigantic space horse demons with twelve pus-festering dicks spewing poisonous semen. Hisao gets sloppy seconds.
Only one thing is missing in this statement for perfection to be attained: "I am the lead writer of this VN, so that makes it holy canon!" :lol:

And...that link is just wow. The amount of thought that must go into such an inconsequential (to me at least) subject, and that centers around entirely fictional characters, truly boggles the mind. I make it a habit of trying to understand a different point of view, but trying to understand that point of view is...exceedingly difficult. Then again, maybe that's just due to google translate being what it is and making it all sound as wierd as usual.
I'm sorry for coming off so harsh, but there are several things EXTREMELY problematic with your outlook.
I'd put it like this. If he applied this rationale to women IRL, then I would agree wholeheartedly with you. Seeing as it's aimed at fictional characters, though, I fail to see the problem really. And if there is, the only person missing out on anything at all is the OP by his own choice to not go through the paths other than Lilly or Hanako. *shrug*

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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Guest Poster » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:38 pm

Not to mention the fact that for some women, usually as the result of some physical trauma, it will break without them ever having sex.
Not just that but certain physical activity can cause it to break too. Horseback riding, tennis and turning are among those things. That's why, in cultures where it's considered important to bleed during the first time, doctors sometimes offer procedures to repair a hymen if it was already broken due to physical exercise prior to the wedding night. Rin would be a good example of a girl whose hymen is very unlikely to still be intact due to the stuff she does with her legs every day.
Hanako is in pain. This could be the pain from the "first time" or it could be the irritation of dryness because she isn't physically stimulated.
She was physically stimulated and wet enough, but when a female is nervous before penetration she tends to subconciously tense her vaginal muscules making entry more difficult and more painful. And Hanako was definitely nervous.
Well, first of all, What the fuck?
Seconded. I guess there's three different possibilities here:

- The OP considers bleeding girls sexy.
- The OP likes the idea of a girl being in pain at first and getting turned on later.
- The OP likes girls who don't have experience or dislikes girls who do have experience.

But yeah, whatever your fetish, try not to apply it to real-life situations.
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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Dawnstorm » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:56 pm

Virgin Heroine?

EMI!

(I wonder whether the pun is too obscure? Anyway, capitalisation matters. 8) :wink: :oops: )

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Re: Katawa Shoujo Virgin heroine?

Post by Xanatos » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:28 pm

...No. And that is an ASTOUNDINGLY stupid criteria to have for the VNs you play. Seriously. Stop it. It's hurting my brain.
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