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Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:59 pm

I finally finished Lilly's route and 100% completed the game, so now I'm just gonna type shit about Lilly's story.

Her story seemed kinda fast paced, with Hanako's Bday party being in Act 2 instead of Act 3 like in Hanako's arc, but whatever.

One thing that seemed weird to me is that Hisao's hard was especially shitty in Lilly's path. In total, he had 3 significant "heart flutters" and one full heart attack in the 3rd to last scene. In the entire rest of the VN the only other significant heart problem (not counting the prologue) was "HERP DERP LET'S RACE THE TRACK STAR" Hisao why you so dumb at times? -_-

I laughed at the irony of the neutral ending since it seemed like a dick move for Lilly to say "never leave me Hisao!" despite knowing she'll be leaving for Scotland forever in a month.
Lilly: NEVER LEAVE ME HISAO!
Hisao: k, I love you<3
Lilly: *leaves for Scotland 4ever*
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I also thought it was weird how the "neutral" end was basically the good ending with the last 4 scenes removed. There wasn't a separate scene like in the other girl's routes.

Finally, it seemed to me that Hanako was more comfortable around Hisao in Lilly's route than in her own, but maybe that's expected since she didn't want to fuck him in Lilly's route (or did she!?! plot twist conspiracy!).

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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Xanatos » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:19 pm

Jobriq wrote:I finally finished Lilly's route and 100% completed the game, so now I'm just gonna type shit about Lilly's story.

Her story seemed kinda fast paced, with Hanako's Bday party being in Act 2 instead of Act 3 like in Hanako's arc, but whatever.

One thing that seemed weird to me is that Hisao's hard was especially shitty in Lilly's path. In total, he had 3 significant "heart flutters" and one full heart attack in the 3rd to last scene. In the entire rest of the VN the only other significant heart problem (not counting the prologue) was "HERP DERP LET'S RACE THE TRACK STAR" Hisao why you so dumb at times? -_-

I laughed at the irony of the neutral ending since it seemed like a dick move for Lilly to say "never leave me Hisao!" despite knowing she'll be leaving for Scotland forever in a month.
Lilly: NEVER LEAVE ME HISAO!
Hisao: k, I love you<3
Lilly: *leaves for Scotland 4ever*
http://shimmie.katawa-shoujo.com/post/view/2470
I also thought it was weird how the "neutral" end was basically the good ending with the last 4 scenes removed. There wasn't a separate scene like in the other girl's routes.

Finally, it seemed to me that Hanako was more comfortable around Hisao in Lilly's route than in her own, but maybe that's expected since she didn't want to fuck him in Lilly's route (or did she!?! plot twist conspiracy!).

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It's been over a year but if memory serves, Lilly's route has Hisao neglecting his medication hence the excess heart problems.

As for the dick move, it's Hisao's fault. Yeah, she begged him not to leave her...Then he just kept on being a dishonest and apathetic twat, so why would she stay?

Yeah, Lilly and Rin get weird endings like that...

In Hanako's route, she opens up only to Hisao. In Lilly's, she opens up to many due to the need to give Hisao and Lilly space. Presumably, this would increase her overall comfort with people in general. Plus, it's a lot easier to be around a friend than the person you secretly want to bone. :P
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by SpecimenSix » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:37 pm

Like Xan it's been months since I've done Lilly's route as well. That said I don't completely agree that she had no reason to stay when Hisao wasn't completely honest. Maybe it wouldn't have been best for her if she didn't, I don't think anyone really has any issue with that, but it definitely could've been handled better. Hisao has to practically pry it out of her that she's leaving when she's known for quite awhile. I can't say I completely fault her though, she is only a teenager after all.

And one possible reason why Hanako was probably more comfortable around Hisao in Lilly's route than her own is because Lilly's route was, as you've said, much faster paced. Hanako's route ends before Lilly even returns from Scotland.
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:18 pm

Xanatos wrote: It's been over a year but if memory serves, Lilly's route has Hisao neglecting his medication hence the excess heart problems.

As for the dick move, it's Hisao's fault. Yeah, she begged him not to leave her...Then he just kept on being a dishonest and apathetic twat, so why would she stay?
The first one was just random having lunch heart derp, he second one was caused by forgetting medication, the third was caused by too much hip thrusting and the 4th was a run through the airport.
Also I have to say Lilly's good ending was by far the easiest to get with respect to choices. Basically all the relevant choices are "tell Lilly something" or "don't say anything" and you just pick the former. I consider this easier than getting Shizune's good ending because the single choice of fucking the lesbian... I mean comforting Misha is way more tempting than picking the wrong option out of the 3 that matter for Lilly's ending.

Also, random OCD nitpicking, but the description of the 3rd act scene Renewal is "Hisao, Hanako, and Hideaki welcome Akira and Lilly after their return from Scotland." but Hideaki doesn't appear in that scene :(
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by TacticalBacon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:29 pm

i still don't understand Why didn't Hisao use his phone to call Lilly instead of running after her risking a heart attack
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:32 pm

TacticalBacon wrote:i still don't understand Why didn't Hisao use his phone to call Lilly instead of running after her risking a heart attack
Clearly Lilly doesn't have a cell phone, Hisao only has the number to her home phone in Scotland. Also he forgot to save Akira's number that one time she called him.
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by TacticalBacon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:59 pm

Jobriq wrote:
TacticalBacon wrote:i still don't understand Why didn't Hisao use his phone to call Lilly instead of running after her risking a heart attack
Clearly Lilly doesn't have a cell phone, Hisao only has the number to her home phone in Scotland.
Lilly has a cellphone. She used it when a friend called her in the shanghai, and in Hanako's route, Lilly's number was the only number she has on her phone.
Also he forgot to save Akira's number that one time she called him.
If he would just calm down and think for a bit, he could've checked incoming call history list and search for akira's number :/
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:50 pm

TacticalBacon wrote:
Jobriq wrote:
Lilly has a cellphone. She used it when a friend called her in the shanghai, and in Hanako's route, Lilly's number was the only number she has on her phone.
Also he forgot to save Akira's number that one time she called him.
If he would just calm down and think for a bit, he could've checked incoming call history list and search for akira's number :/
Let me give a better answer: Hisao's retarded. Also, he probably wouldn't be able to convince her to stay in Japan over a phone, although he might not have been able to do so in person either. The only option left is almost killing yourself and forcing her to stay out of concern for your health. *insert scumbag Hisao meme*
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Oddball » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:43 pm

She's going to the airport and leaving the country forever. She might not even have that phone anymore and even if she did, she might not have it on. At that point she's more or less made her peace with everyone and said her goodbyes. There isn't anyone she's expecting to hear from or needs to call.

That, and if he's there in person, she can't hang up on him.
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Liminaut » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:01 am

I've been thinking about Lily's route a bit, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's lacking. In the other paths we deal extensively with the women's emotional issues. The best example here is Emi's path where the whole story is about supporting Emi as she deals with her father's death. Lily has some pretty huge emotional issues, and they are only lightly touched on.

1) Abandonment. Lily was abandoned by her parents at 12. You can't tell me this isn't going to mess someone up. This issue is touched on in the path when she confesses to Hisao but it doesn't effect her behavior. I can see Lily being incredibly jealous, or being convinced Hisao is going to leave her. This didn't happen in the story.

2) Only loving the broken. Lily confesses to Hisao after he has a major heart flutter; she finally decides to stay in Japan after Hisao nearly kills himself. Also, her main friend is someone who is basically emotionally broken. Can she let herself love non-broken people? Maybe she figures that non-broken people might leave her. I wonder if Lily would still love Hisao if he gets better.

3) Control freak. Looking over the path, everything that happens is because Lily decides what happens and when it happens. Even when she is summoned back to Scotland, it is clear that it is lily's decision. When Hisao runs after her in the airport, making the attempt is Hisao's decision but the ultimate resolution is Lily's.

4) Epic emotional compartmentalization. When Lily is saying goodbye to Hisao as she leaves for Scotland, she doesn't say goodbye like a lover. She says it like one would say goodbye to an acquaintance.

My point being there is a lot of evidence for Lily being a real emotional mess, but these issues aren't addressed in the path. In the other paths the women's emotional issues are brought up and Hisao critically helps the women deal with their issues, but not in Lily's path.

Why does Lily love Hisao, anyway?'

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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:18 am

Liminaut wrote: 2) Only loving the broken. Lily confesses to Hisao after he has a major heart flutter; she finally decides to stay in Japan after Hisao nearly kills himself. Also, her main friend is someone who is basically emotionally broken. Can she let herself love non-broken people? Maybe she figures that non-broken people might leave her. I wonder if Lily would still love Hisao if he gets better.
This is kinda unfair to say considering most of the characters in the VN have disabilities.... plus Akira isn't broken, and Lilly has a pretty close relationship with her.
Liminaut wrote: 4) Epic emotional compartmentalization. When Lily is saying goodbye to Hisao as she leaves for Scotland, she doesn't say goodbye like a lover. She says it like one would say goodbye to an acquaintance.
Given that it was essentially the end of their relationship, saying goodbye "like a lover" would be somewhat innapropriate for the situation and iirc, she does kiss him (a goodbye kiss. not one of those "I want you dick inside me" kisses).
Liminaut wrote: My point being there is a lot of evidence for Lily being a real emotional mess, but these issues aren't addressed in the path. In the other paths the women's emotional issues are brought up and Hisao critically helps the women deal with their issues, but not in Lily's path.
Lilly is pretty much the least emotionally fucked up of the 5 heroines, and for a blind teenage girl, she's probably more emotionally stable than most would be in her situation. Besides, you can't expect everyone at Yamaku to be an emotional mess (as in more so than normal teenagers should be).
Liminaut wrote: Why does Lily love Hisao, anyway?'
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Ascension » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:40 am

Liminaut wrote:I've been thinking about Lily's route a bit, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's lacking. In the other paths we deal extensively with the women's emotional issues. The best example here is Emi's path where the whole story is about supporting Emi as she deals with her father's death. Lily has some pretty huge emotional issues, and they are only lightly touched on.

1) Abandonment. Lily was abandoned by her parents at 12. You can't tell me this isn't going to mess someone up. This issue is touched on in the path when she confesses to Hisao but it doesn't effect her behavior. I can see Lily being incredibly jealous, or being convinced Hisao is going to leave her. This didn't happen in the story.

2) Only loving the broken. Lily confesses to Hisao after he has a major heart flutter; she finally decides to stay in Japan after Hisao nearly kills himself. Also, her main friend is someone who is basically emotionally broken. Can she let herself love non-broken people? Maybe she figures that non-broken people might leave her. I wonder if Lily would still love Hisao if he gets better.

3) Control freak. Looking over the path, everything that happens is because Lily decides what happens and when it happens. Even when she is summoned back to Scotland, it is clear that it is lily's decision. When Hisao runs after her in the airport, making the attempt is Hisao's decision but the ultimate resolution is Lily's.

4) Epic emotional compartmentalization. When Lily is saying goodbye to Hisao as she leaves for Scotland, she doesn't say goodbye like a lover. She says it like one would say goodbye to an acquaintance.

My point being there is a lot of evidence for Lily being a real emotional mess, but these issues aren't addressed in the path. In the other paths the women's emotional issues are brought up and Hisao critically helps the women deal with their issues, but not in Lily's path.

Why does Lily love Hisao, anyway?'

Some people actually can be damaged from said abandonment, but overcome that eventually. It's not as if the characters of the story have no life between events like that and the setting of the story.

Also, there's kind of an issue with referring to people as "broken." People don't break, so to speak. If a person truly broke, there'd be nothing left. That opinion aside, Lilly doesn't really strike me as the type of person who would exactly cry her eyes out over something she knew was going to happen. SHe's way more in control of herself than that. When someone's composed like that, they won't generally fall into pieces like a lost toddler. I had more, but I forgot it.
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Jobriq » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:42 am

Ascension wrote: Lilly doesn't really strike me as the type of person who would exactly cry her eyes out over something she knew was going to happen.
Even if she did, she still wouldn't see anything [/makingfunoftheblind]
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Re: Lilly's Route (SPOILERS)

Post by Oddball » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:22 am

Liminaut wrote:I've been thinking about Lily's route a bit, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's lacking. In the other paths we deal extensively with the women's emotional issues. The best example here is Emi's path where the whole story is about supporting Emi as she deals with her father's death. Lily has some pretty huge emotional issues, and they are only lightly touched on.
I don't really think Lilly has any huge issues. Sure she's got a few problems, but who doesn't. Her route was more about Hisao coming to terms with his issues than her coming to term with her own.
1) Abandonment. Lily was abandoned by her parents at 12. You can't tell me this isn't going to mess someone up. This issue is touched on in the path when she confesses to Hisao but it doesn't effect her behavior.
It may or it may not. 12 was a long time ago for Lilly though and she's gotten used to her life as it stands.
I can see Lily being incredibly jealous, or being convinced Hisao is going to leave her.
I can't.
2) Only loving the broken. Lily confesses to Hisao after he has a major heart flutter; she finally decides to stay in Japan after Hisao nearly kills himself. Also, her main friend is someone who is basically emotionally broken. Can she let herself love non-broken people? Maybe she figures that non-broken people might leave her. I wonder if Lily would still love Hisao if he gets better.
I think you're seeing it as a far more negative thing than it is. Lilly likes to help people. It's actually a trait she shares with Hisao. It's also one of the big reasons she's class representative. In Hisao and Hanako's case, she often tries to stress to them that they should just be themselves and not let their conditions define them. She's not trying to latch onto broken people, she's trying to help other people realize that they aren't broken.
3) Control freak. Looking over the path, everything that happens is because Lily decides what happens and when it happens. Even when she is summoned back to Scotland, it is clear that it is lily's decision. When Hisao runs after her in the airport, making the attempt is Hisao's decision but the ultimate resolution is Lily's.
That's less an issue of Lilly wanting to be in control than it is Hisao not wanting to lead.
Why does Lily love Hisao, anyway?'
He's helpful, friendly, smart, honest, and hansom, helpful, and shares some of her interests. He also tends to let her lead rather than trying to take control and given that she by her nature has to move more slowly this could be a big deal for her. Also, he's extremely patient and nonjudgemental when it comes to her best friend, a person that not a lot of other people care for. There's also a certain naiveness about him that she says she enjoys.

Basically though, he's just a really nice guy.
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