Dream wrote:Ok, to sum up some of the previous talking points: It was said that Hisao is a teenager and that in that moment acted out of impulse and hormones/horniness. He got rather nervous when he realized the significance of what Hanako was doing (you can read how shocked he is when Hanako asks him to close the door) to the point he could not think straight nor pay much attention to Hanako's feelings and state. There was even talk of Hisao having a certain obsession for Hanako and Hanako feeling desperate/lonely.
Since I said a lot of that myself, I think I need to point out a nuance in my argument that you missed. I wasn't saying that Hisao realized the significance of what Hanako was doing. Rather, I am saying that he misunderstood and jumped to conclusions. In her desperation (and I base the idea that she was desperate on her own words post facto), Hanako accepted his advances, but not necessarily because that's what she really wanted in the first place.
Hisao has his mind pretty clear and he is very much in the moment, it is true that the sex scene with Hanako wasn't exactly cheery or overly pleasant, but such a strong intimacy with a woman with such painful experiences simply isn't going to be (at least not the first time) i think Hisao realized that, and that's why he decided to comply with Hanako's wish instead of just leaving or taking things to something other than sex, which i think is what he wanted to do going by some of the narration.
The previous paragraph responds to the first part of this quote, I feel you misunderstood my points; I didn't think HIsao's thinking was muddled, I think he was misjudging the situation unintentionally. That's another point of disagreement: I don't think what transpired was Hanako's wish. She actually said her wish was to be "seen" as something other than a fragile girl in need of protection, that doesn't translate to sex.
Taking into consideration Hisao's character, the situation and dynamic among them (not just talking about the sex scene) and what Hisao knew about Hanako up to that point, i cannot say Hisao fits either of those criteria. If one never knew about the park scene and Hanako's confession, i think one would be astonished at the idea that Hanako didn't actually want to have sex with him, since she took him to her room, asked him to close the door/windows (thus giving off a message of the kind of action she desired to do) and stripped before him, while waiting for him to come over.
That seemed to be Hisao's interpretation, and I think it's safe to say his interpretation was wrong.
If she wasn't so shy, she would have likely walked up to him and kissed him.
If indeed that's what she wanted! She's not a teenage boy, she wouldn't necessarily know that he would draw those conclusions.
Personally, i seriously thought Hanako wanted to have physical intimacy with Hisao, because everything in that scene was set by Hanako to give that impression.
But she wasn't necessarily expecting that.
There is one person who probably had a margin of action, and (probably) a way to re-consider how much of a good idea the whole thing was: Hanako.
I really disagree with this, Hanako didn't take Hisao's clothes off without saying a word, he did, and as such he is responsible for the actions he took.
In the end, it's just a very unfortunate event, and you're really made to realize how much they don't know about the other.
Absolutely, from a story perspective, it was perfect. It was something stories like this rarely are: realistic.
But it probably couldn't have been solved in a better way. There's probably not anything else Hisao could have done (leaving or trying to dissuade her from sex would have been a very bad idea, and he simply wouldn't have thought that Hanako might be concealing her motives, at least not with the constant signs of consent and the fact this is one of the rare moments she's taking lead) and Hanako decided to not tell Hisao the real reason for why she's doing this and set things in such a way that he would find himself "forced" into some sort of intimacy with her.
Well, I think Hisao could have said something, or he could have held off on disrobing until he got some kind of consent, as it is he was as guilty of putting pressure on her as she was of putting pressure on him.
I agree with pandaphil on this, and I never really "blamed" anyone, per se, I only see fault in both their choices. They shouldn't have done what they did the way that they did, but given the characters and their motivations, that's what they would
do. Story-wise, the scene was perfect. Stories would be boring if everyone acted in the interests of unimpeachable ethics.