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Post by bhtooefr » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:17 pm

Well, there is always a certain phone number...
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Post by beardedsubmarine » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:26 pm

U wot M8?
No, don't get me wrong. The writing IS spectacular as f@ck. It's just the development of the story that befuddles me.
It really is brain-reeling. first, almost a harem. then, the classical biblical "et in circulos suos regreditur", with Lilly's comeback etc.
I am actualy dumb-struck with the move.

Disregard that, write on.
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Post by Minion of Chaos » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:30 pm

Mirage_GSM wrote:
Mirage_GSM wrote:Well, the longer this goes on, the harder I find it to see this ending happily for any character.
I wrote this after the last chapter, and it seems this is proving me right.
If Lilly really comes back, I can't see Hisao ending up with either her or Hanako without the other being driven away...
Also, there does come a point where this is dragged out too long. I'm not saying it's reached that yet, but critical mass may not be too far away. But that's only my opinion.

Another well written and entertaining chapter!

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Post by dewelar » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:00 pm

Wow...a lot of good discussion this morning! A lot of it is stuff I can't respond to, but it's always good to see.

First of all, as always, thanks to everyone for the kind words.
emmjay wrote:I gotta say, I like the characterization of Lilly's parents here. That's definitely an interesting take on why they might have asked Lilly to come back to Scotland.
Thanks. As Guest Poster said in response to this, they really do seem to get nothing but negative portrayals in fanfiction, especially Hiroyuki, so I wanted to do something different. I'm glad it worked. Writing this chapter almost made me wish I'd written a more Lilly-centric story. Perhaps once this is done.
Guest Poster wrote:...there's two things that caught my attention:
Unlike your sister, you were a citizen of this country, and we have no authority over you here.
Are you saying that Lilly has Scottish citizenship despite the fact that she was born in Japan and has spent pretty much her entire life there? Why exactly would Lilly's parents give one of their children Scottish citizenship if they were living in Japan? The only purpose it would serve is to make administrative tasks potentially more complicated than they'd have to be.
This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.
but your sister insisted on staying behind rather than leave you to care for your grandparents.
Is he saying that Lilly was expected to look after her grandparents in her parents' place?
No, that should have read "help care for your grandparents". Will fix.
...This is still one heck of a shitstorm he's gotten himself in.
Yes. Yes it is :) . Obviously, I can't directly address the other excellent points you bring up, but I will say that I hope that the eventual resolution makes sense.
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Post by monkeywitha6pack » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:19 pm

Have to jump on the bandwagon and agree with everyone. This is my favorite Lilly's patents from any fic. Every fic makes them or well him a humongous asshole. You managed to keep his personality and take away the assholeness As always great chapter! :D
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Post by Guest Poster » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:50 pm

This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.
There's a little problem with your explanation and that's the fact that Japan does not recognize dual citizenship, meaning that in order to become a Japanese citizen, Lilly's mother would have had to renounce her own Scottish citizenship. Likewise, even though Lilly may have been granted Scottish citizenship at birth, her parents would have had to renounce that in order to apply for Japanese citizenship for her. And seeing how long they've lived in Japan, it's unlikely Lilly and her mother didn't have Japanese citizenship.

That said, I never knew about that quirk in UK law. You learn something new every day.
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Post by hyroglyphixs » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:07 pm

Well... my wish of Lilly coming back came true! Problem is how this love.. square? is going to be resolved without seriously hurting the other two girls..

Ugh. Fantastic writing as always man.
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Post by dewelar » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:11 pm

Guest Poster wrote:
This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.
There's a little problem with your explanation and that's the fact that Japan does not recognize dual citizenship, meaning that in order to become a Japanese citizen, Lilly's mother would have had to renounce her own Scottish citizenship. Likewise, even though Lilly may have been granted Scottish citizenship at birth, her parents would have had to renounce that in order to apply for Japanese citizenship for her. And seeing how long they've lived in Japan, it's unlikely Lilly and her mother didn't have Japanese citizenship.
Not quite. Per Wikipedia, the Nationality Law that generally forbids dual citizenship was enacted in 1985, and those who had dual citizenship before then were allowed to keep it. Since Lilly was born with such dual citizenship, she has until age 22 to choose which of the two she keeps.
That said, I never knew about that quirk in UK law. You learn something new every day.
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Post by OutofBlues » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:37 pm

Something I realized while going over Chapter 31 again...the explanation that you give for Lilly's recall to Scotland actually fixes plot holes in the VN, and several fanfics as well.

In Shizune's storyline, Lilly appears well past the time she should be in Scotland and the devs have basically said "ooops" and left it as is. But since Hisao no longer contacts Lilly while she's visiting her aunt, the recall request never came, and Lilly was able to finish her year in Japan. While I seriously doubt you were thinking about the plot holes in the VN and elsewhere, it is seriously a genius piece of writing.

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Post by Guest Poster » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:39 pm

In that case, I stand corrected. :)
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Post by Blasphemy » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:49 pm

Good job again. Was wondering if we'd get an Emi chapters this time around or maybe even Hanako already... Then, surprise, it's Lilly!

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Post by bhtooefr » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:03 pm

OutofBlues wrote:Something I realized while going over Chapter 31 again...the explanation that you give for Lilly's recall to Scotland actually fixes plot holes in the VN, and several fanfics as well.

In Shizune's storyline, Lilly appears well past the time she should be in Scotland and the devs have basically said "ooops" and left it as is. But since Hisao no longer contacts Lilly while she's visiting her aunt, the recall request never came, and Lilly was able to finish her year in Japan. While I seriously doubt you were thinking about the plot holes in the VN and elsewhere, it is seriously a genius piece of writing.
The interesting thing with all of that is that in Shizune's route, as of version 1.1, Lilly explicitly never actually permanently left, making it not a plot hole (and meaning that it's not an error in canon, either, so word of author would be wrong).

"Lilly and I are going away for a while tomorrow, so we thought we'd just pop by." (in United Nations, which was the beginning of summer break in Shizune's route, and Akira knew she was giving up the Evo, too)

For a while being the key words.

In any case, something does feel off about the characterization of the Satou parents, but I can't put my finger on it. I'd think that they'd be a little more direct about things, but then, Lilly is anything but direct about a lot of things herself...
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Post by dewelar » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:06 pm

OutofBlues wrote:Something I realized while going over Chapter 31 again...the explanation that you give for Lilly's recall to Scotland actually fixes plot holes in the VN, and several fanfics as well.

In Shizune's storyline, Lilly appears well past the time she should be in Scotland and the devs have basically said "ooops" and left it as is. But since Hisao no longer contacts Lilly while she's visiting her aunt, the recall request never came, and Lilly was able to finish her year in Japan. While I seriously doubt you were thinking about the plot holes in the VN and elsewhere, it is seriously a genius piece of writing.
Heh...yeah, I wish I could take credit for thinking about that. I was mainly aiming at explaining the general odd nature of the whole thing, so putting some spackle on Shizune's route was just a happy side effect.

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bhtooefr wrote:For a while being the key words.
Or this :) .
In any case, something does feel off about the characterization of the Satou parents, but I can't put my finger on it. I'd think that they'd be a little more direct about things, but then, Lilly is anything but direct about a lot of things herself...
If it was in their nature to be direct, then Akira probably wouldn't have such a poor opinion of them in the first place.
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Re: Developments (Post-Lilly Bad End) [Ch 31 up 1/10]

Post by Blasphemy » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:17 pm

bhtooefr wrote:In any case, something does feel off about the characterization of the Satou parents, but I can't put my finger on it. I'd think that they'd be a little more direct about things, but then, Lilly is anything but direct about a lot of things herself...
Hm, you mean in this story? Because that seemed pretty darn direct to me. Both of her parents told her quite clearly what they thought about all this

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Or I think I misunderstood. I suppose you mean their whole plan to keep Lilly in Japan or make decisions for herself.

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Post by dewelar » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:24 pm

Blasphemy wrote:Or I think I misunderstood. I suppose you mean their whole plan to keep Lilly in Japan or make decisions for herself.
Yeah, that's what I took it to mean. The thing is, being direct about something like that would kind of defeat the purpose of doing it in the first place.
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