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Post by griffon8 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:59 pm

cptngarlock wrote:Exciting, although terribly unexpected, to see Hanako enter the game. I trust you have a good reason for her to be there.
This is so weird to me. I was totally expecting Hanako & Lilly to show up at the hospital. If not for Iwanako's observation that school was still in session for the first visitors, I would have expected Hanako & Lilly then.

Besides, this avoids a time skip to Saturday when Iwanako can leave. Also, this will likely put a stop to any plans to leave Yamaku.
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Post by Kyler Thatch » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:39 am

cptngarlock wrote:>that seems to follow me around like goldfish feces

...is that a thing? I don't own gold-fish, so...
My dad used to own a couple of fishes, but nobody at home had any time to take care of them, so they died one by one.

Anyway, yeah, that's a thing. Their waste material doesn't always detach right away, so they end up trailing for a while.

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Post by forgetmenot » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:59 am

cptngarlock wrote:>Victorian memento mori daguerreotypes

>lachrymose

I by no means want to imply Iwanako isn't intelligent or well-informed, but...those two words strike me as 10-dollar words that even an intelligent teenager would not know, let alone use to describe something in their head.
Funny you should mention these... I have a sneaking suspicion these word choices may have something to do with having read Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events, as both the phrase "memento mori" as well as the word "lachrymose" feature prominently in those stories.
Kyler Thatch wrote:Their waste material doesn't always detach right away, so they end up trailing for a while.
Eww.

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Post by Bad Apple » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:55 am

Incidentally in relation to the above post. Seems like another series of coincidences.
I could always fix that, I guess. I feel like a phone conversation would be too awkward, after all this time, but I don’t know… Maybe I could send a letter.
heh
I shouldn’t be living in the past, anyway. It’s only going to make me more unhappy, and it only person really affected by it is me.
the only person
“I have visitors?”

“Yes, there are two people here to see you.”

[...]

I haven’t the slightest idea who this is. My eyes meet hers...

…!

…With a flash of alarming clarity, my entire body goes rigid with tension.
Called it! ...In my head anyway, even if it appears incredibly obvious in hindsight, I didn't want to ruin it for anybody :P
...How are you any different from a drunk driver who only feels bad after he finally spins out and murders half a family?”

She makes a noise that’s somewhere between a gasp and a sob, as though I’ve touched upon a particularly sensitive spot, but I’m too far gone to stop now.
...Ouch. Can't wait till this one comes back to haunt Iwanako. That will sting.

That went slightly more awful than I imagined. Although to be fair, I had two guesses. It was either Emi or Hanako, but obviously that's not going to---
“I… Iwa…o..”

Huh? What was that?

“I, Iwanako?”

The soft voice is so quiet that, for a moment, I think I’m imagining it.

I lift my head, surprised to hear my name. To my surprise, when I glance over to the doorway, a very familiar amethyst-eyed girl is peering at me cautiously from behind the doorway, her nose hidden behind the door frame.

Huh?!

“Hanako?!”
:o

Oh. Damn you. Damn you damn you damn you I should have seen this coming. Attack on Titan has exhausted my Epic Cliffhanger-O-Meter for a decade as it is, and now this? I think I'm gonna have a stroke, here.

Yeah, I was going to comment to the effect of Hanako's assertiveness but you've already duly noted that. Besides excellent first impressions, I'm guessing Lilly has something to do with it, but beyond homework or the Festival I can't quite think of anything concrete. Unless it's the typical "I told Lilly and she convinced me", I'm totally stumped. In fact, I'd say bhtooefr nailed it. Although I must say, the "Word of God" concerning Lilly at the end of this post renders this chapter in a whole new light... ;)

More to the point, I'm more surprised at that it didn't come down to Emi or Hanako as the visitor, but both. Quoth Rin Tezuka, "It sure is suddenly very crowded in here. I didn't know I was this popular." It almost feels silly, but genuine concern tends to have that effect on the cynical. But it isn't as if Iwanako was feeling exactly chipper before.

You pulled all the stops for this one, Leaty. :) Personally yes, I believe you have turned Iwanako into her own person and a fully fleshed out human being. She has friends, a family, hopes, dreams, struggles, baggage and regrets like the rest of us. I even forget that she is canonically just the one-scene catalyst for Katawa Shoujo's male main character, sometimes, instead of a quasi-OC you created wholecloth.

The twists and turns in MTB are always a thrill to read through. My hat's off to you.

Now all that's left is Rin and her "diagnosing" the "chest problem thingy"...

I also have a new competing hypothesis as to who's gonna fix Iwanako's heart, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, here. More evidence required and all that scientific method stuff.
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Re: Iwanako: Mean Time to Breakdown {updated 11/20/2013}

Post by Mirage_GSM » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:46 am

Can't wait till this one comes back to haunt Iwanako. That will sting.
If Iwanako somehow learns about Emi's accident, she'll realize that they both did awful things to each other.
Given what happened in this chapter, it would be hard for Iwanako to forgive Emi, but now they have a chance to forgive each other, which makes forgiving much easier.
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Post by Leaty » Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:23 am

I finally have a few hours of no-frills free time. It's time for Image again.
Solistor wrote:I'd wish I had a time machine so i could jump to when this story was finished
I wish you had a time machine so you could tell me if I finished my story. And so that you could prevent the death of Owen Hart.
Comrade wrote:Haha! Take that emi!
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Mirage_GSM wrote:You think so? I can't really picture Lilly getting along with someone as jaded as Iwanako is right now...
Great chapter again. I'd say you hit Emi's character perfectly.
I'm glad you think so. There's basically no source material for this kind of scenario as it pertains to Emi (the closest thing is her apologizing to Hisao for racing him, and that doesn't really rate in comparison) so I had to play it by ear, which was nervewracking. I get nervous about Iwanako getting the best of Emi (and to a lesser extent, Shizune) because I'm trying to keep her out of Suesbekistan, and emotionally crucifying a main character can constitute taking a step inside. It doesn't help that Iwanako looks vaguely hypercompetent compared to Hisao, which I know isn't hard in Act One, and I feel I've compensated by giving Iwanako considerably more issues*, but it's always a concern.

The entire time I was writing Emi, I kept thinking "should she be shrugging this off?" In the end she didn't, but I was expecting a backlash.
Kyler Thatch wrote:Also also, how do you forbid someone from attending a festival?
This isn't a spoiler, so let me just clear the air on this once and for all. Emi isn't at Yamaku right now. She's living in downtown Sendai with her mother until the suspension is lifted. She won't be at the Festival because for the time being she's not even permitted on school grounds.

As somebody who has enjoyed quite a few out-of-school suspensions back in the day, let me just say that I really don't understand how they constitute a punishment. Wow, you're telling me I can stay home while my parents are at work, eating junk food and watching the box set of Dawson's Creek? Well, hot damn! (Yeah, yeah, I know it's different in the context of private school.)
Blasphemy wrote:Unless suddenly Iwanako's dad becomes furious knowing about all this and demands Emi's expulsion and that's that?!? Who knows!
If Iwanako's dad got angry enough to do something about it, he would have his secretary pen in a time for chewing out the faculty some time three weeks from now, only to cancel it when he meets a prospective client and forget to reschedule it.
Blasphemy wrote:Also man, that must be a terrible feeling for Meiko, waiting outside and listening to her daughter getting chewed on like this, uh oh.
Meiko originally had a larger role in this chapter, but I couldn't think of anything for her to say, and I couldn't imagine Emi just showing up at the hospital on her own, hence her waiting out in the hallway eavesdropping on the whole thing. If Iwanako had been more forgiving of Emi, Meiko probably would have come in and thanked Iwanako for her magnanimity, but obviously that didn't happen here so Meiko comes off acting maybe a little weird?

I really really like Meiko though. That's all I'll say for now.
Reese8 wrote:Iwanako, having no idea that the prevailing opinion was that Hanako ought to be handled with kid gloves if at all, walked right up to her and asked her for help.
I want to point out here that even if Hisao had tried this in that scenario, he would not have been received nearly as successfully.
Mader Levap wrote:Emi deserved it. She should be happy they did not expelled her on spot (for sure Nurse doing - he did everything he could to prevent that).
If Iwanako had died, Emi would almost certainly be expelled. In fact, that's why I made the decision not to require Iwanako to go back into surgery here—even that could be seen as grounds for expulsion. Since she's mostly fine (Iwanako's concussion is load-bearing in a lot of meaningful ways), expulsion doesn't strike me as particularly realistic.

Also, Nurse has no power whatsoever to influence a decision like that, so I don't know why you think that's the case.
Mader Levap wrote:Presence of Hanako and Lilly IS surprising. Wonder what business they have? Do they know about obliteration of Emi? Will see how it goes.
People are forgetting something very important about Lilly.
Reese8 wrote:By the way, Leaty, what field is the term MTTB from? My Systems course introduced it as Mean Time To Failure.
Mean Time to Failure is probably the more widespread term. I don't actually have any engineering background. A quick Googling turned up the phrase (and a graph) in a thesis about power cable defects for an Electrical and Computer Engineering degree, so there you have it I guess. (That Googling also turned up this, so thanks, mysterious Reddit reader.)
AntonSlavik020 wrote:I actually really like "Iwahanako". I don't know why. I think it's from people referring to the various Mass Effect pairings in the same way(Shenko, Shekarian, ect...) and Hisao' s name doesn't really blend well with any of the girl's names.
Every time somebody says "Iwahanako," I debate having an aneurysm. Here, as it happens I'm fluent in Mandarin so I can do this pretty easily (kanji are almost all just traditional hanzi):

Iwanako/Hanako: Stoneflower (岩華)
Iwanako/Lilly: Sandstone (砂岩) or Canefish (藤魚) (Lilly's name is in katakana so I used the family name)
Iwanako/Shizune: Soundfish (音魚) or Stonestill (岩静)
Iwanako/Emi: Stonesmile (岩笑)
Iwanako/Rin: Jadestone (琳岩) or Fishmound (魚塚) Image
Iwanako/Misha: Rock Empire (岩御) (this one is ridiculous, but the "Mi" in "Misha" literally means "imperial")
Iwanako/Momomi: Peachrock (桃砂)
Iwanako/Hisao: Stone Age (岩久) ("久" literally means "long time")

Okay, these are mostly terrible but they're still better than the alternative.
sanduba wrote:I'm really enjoying it. It's slow paced, but still good.
Compared to what? Are you talking about my update speed? Bluescreen is actually faster paced than Life Expectancy. It's only slower if you compare it to the Rika or Kagami pseudo-routes, and those are faster-paced because they don't actually cover all of Act One like this one does.
neio wrote:Serious question, when you thought up/wrote down that line, did you flinch? Because I just replayed the Emi route and wow, did that hurt. I physically winced. Hard. It's worse because it makes sense (even if it's a little exaggerated).
I don't know if I flinched, but I replayed Emi's route to write this chapter, and, yeah, I definitely thought "this. This is the moment where my readership turns on Iwanako." Obviously Iwanako has little idea of the gravity of what she said (she didn't even notice Emi's prosthetics,) but I thought for sure that people were going to think Iwanako was a psycho bitch anyway. I'm more than a little surprised that most people think Emi had it coming, especially since she's so well-liked.
Personally, I'm glad I (practically accidentally) came up with such an Image for Iwanako, because I want my readers to believe that there was more to Iwanako in Katawa Shoujo than just a sad little wisp who felt like a failure over her ability to bring Hisao out of his depression. Obviously this permutation of Iwanako is much more jaded, but I'd like to think it's a pretty good wake-up call for the reader when Iwanako goes Murder Mode on Emi.
neio wrote:Still, despite the understandability of Iwanako's rage, I find myself wondering if Iwanako would have actually preferred no apology at all. Separately, would Iwanako's life have been affected for better or worse had Emi not tried to apologize? (And what about Emi's?)
I wasn't sure how to answer this at first. The best answer to this question is that when I was writing the Iwanako/Emi encounter, I read through Misstep again (Hanako's bad ending, not Doomish's bad fic), and much of Iwanako's explosion at Emi was deliberately meant to be a parallel to Hanako's eruption at Hisao. (In fact, read those scenes side by side if you want what I daresay is a damn good illustration of how Hanako and Iwanako differ as characters.) The Iwanako/Emi encounter can definitely be described as Emi Misstepping Iwanako, and much of the logic in that scene applies here as well.

Could Emi have avoided Iwanako's wrath and still apologized? Perhaps, but Iwanako was already a ticking time bomb before Emi walked in, and Emi then proceeded to say basically all the wrong things. It doesn't help that Emi isn't an adult (and is therefore not an authority figure,) and thus Iwanako feels much more comfortable giving her the third degree. Probably the best course of action for Emi would have been to apologize after the suspension was lifted and the Festival was over, so that there wasn't a perceived undertone of "please plead with them to lighten my sentence."

Iwanako didn't actually need an apology to begin with—she hates receiving apologies, especially since so few of them are ever genuine. Frankly, if Emi hadn't visited her in the hospital, Iwanako wouldn't even have remembered her name or recognized her face in the halls, unless somebody else pointed her out. Emi was just a force of nature to her until this scene. Emi did need to apologize, because she would have felt guilty and because everybody would have egged her on to do it, but honestly Meiko should have warned her—I imagine her having received a similar apology in the past for the accident that killed her husband and not receiving it warmly.

In my original envisioning of this scenario (back in 2012!), called "Missile Crisis," Iwanako was prescribed bed rest, but allowed to return to the dorms early on Thursday morning sans concussion, so she heads to the 3-3 classroom to tell Mutou she won't be in class for the day, only to walk into the events of "Cold War." Shizune tries to bring Iwanako into the argument the way she did Hisao, only for Iwanako to go absolutely nuclear on her for a perceived lack of concern, and when a shocked and appalled Lilly (who has never met Iwanako) says something along the lines of "that isn't called for, calm down," Iwanako proceeds to snap at her, too, before being pulled out of the room. As a result, when Emi comes by the dorms later to apologize to Iwanako, it was more of a muted "slam the door in her face" kind of deal, because she had already exploded.

I was so excited to write that scene right up until I circumvented it entirely. It also had a cameo from Rika.
cptngarlock wrote:I by no means want to imply Iwanako isn't intelligent or well-informed, but...those two words strike me as 10-dollar words that even an intelligent teenager would not know, let alone use to describe something in their head. The idea that a Japanese teenager like Iwanako knowing what a "Victorian memento mori daguerreotypes" even is strikes me as extremely odd; both instances brought me out of the story. You're free to disagree, of course, but these strike me as too wordy for a stream-of-conscious story.
Okay, this isn't the first time somebody has brought this to my attention, so I want to explain my philosophy behind this.

First of all, memento mori is a pretty common phrase, and when I was a kid I learned the word "daguerreotype" from Dinotopia: The World Beneath, literally a children's book (but still one of my very favorites ever.) Tabula rasa is the name of a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode, and the word "lachrymose" not only appears in this excellent essay by Tim Kreider but is also etymologically related to "lacrimosa," a Mozart composition that was covered by Evanescence. So these words are out there and exist in popular culture.

When I began to characterize Iwanako, I knew I didn't want her to be like Hisao, so one way in which I decided to distance her from Hisao (and create new story possibilities) was to make her bad in many of the areas where he's talented and good in many of the areas where he isn't. So while Hisao can't speak English to save his life, Iwanako is fluent at it. Hisao has a great aptitude for math and science, Iwanako barely understands the subject. Hisao is bad at reading people while Iwanako is both empathic and self-aware. Hisao has a surprising amount of willpower but Iwanako has an almost Sisyphean tendency to backslide into complacency and despair. Hisao reads books while Iwanako watches films. Hisao believes he can find love again and Iwanako doesn't.

So, yeah, Iwanako uses a lot of fancy words, because she has a precocious mastery of language and a good memory for vocabulary. The fact that she sees herself as upper-class only provides more reason for her to want to speak like a highly-educated, sophisticated individual. She doesn't always communicate at that level (as her letter to Hisao demonstrated,) but I don't feel bad about using the words for an internal monologue unless I'm writing a particularly tense, fast-paced scene.

Also, in retrospect I'm really glad that I didn't make Iwanako a book-reading, science-loving nerd girl, because that character would have been like a much much more boring Aiko Kurai and it would have absolutely sucked.

*Remember how scene five is called "New Game Plus"? Iwanako's characterization kind of ties into that. In a New Game Plus you generally start out with more stuff and retread familiar territory, but encounter greater, unexpected challenges, which I think suits this entire fic nicely. It's replaying Katawa Shoujo on a higher difficulty with a new character.

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Post by bhtooefr » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:32 am

Leaty wrote:This isn't a spoiler, so let me just clear the air on this once and for all. Emi isn't at Yamaku right now. She's living in downtown Sendai with her mother until the suspension is lifted. She won't be at the Festival because for the time being she's not even permitted on school grounds.

As somebody who has enjoyed quite a few out-of-school suspensions back in the day, let me just say that I really don't understand how they constitute a punishment. Wow, you're telling me I can stay home while my parents are at work, eating junk food and watching the box set of Dawson's Creek? Well, hot damn! (Yeah, yeah, I know it's different in the context of private school.)
You know, I actually was going to comment on that, but how would a school like Yamaku specifically handle suspension? An out-of-school suspension is a surprising one for a school like that, I'd think, especially given that they're a boarding school housing physically disabled students. Then again, this is one of the few scenarios where an out-of-school suspension makes sense in Yamaku - not as a punishment, but rather to keep the other students safe.

I went to a K-12 that specialized in behavioral handicaps among other things, and they never used out-of-school suspensions (although the school districts that sent kids there would sometimes suspend kids from the bus, so they'd have no way to get to school). They usually used in-school suspensions - you wouldn't go to your normal class, you'd report to a much stricter suspension-specific class and your school work would be sent to that class.
Leaty wrote:I wasn't sure how to answer this at first. The best answer to this question is that when I was writing the Iwanako/Emi encounter, I read through Misstep again (Hanako's bad ending, not Doomish's bad fic), and much of Iwanako's explosion at Emi was deliberately meant to be a parallel to Hanako's eruption at Hisao. (In fact, read those scenes side by side if you want what I daresay is a damn good illustration of how Hanako and Iwanako differ as characters.) The Iwanako/Emi encounter can definitely be described as Emi Misstepping Iwanako, and much of the logic in that scene applies here as well.
I did notice the echos of Misstep in there, but not quite enough to comment on it.

And, now I've got a vision of Iwanako abusing a thesaurus just to sound smarter than she is. (I've actually known people to do that. Hell, when I was 16, I did it.)
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Re: Iwanako: Mean Time to Breakdown {updated 11/20/2013}

Post by Leaty » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:50 am

bhtooefr wrote:You know, I actually was going to comment on that, but how would a school like Yamaku specifically handle suspension? An out-of-school suspension is a surprising one for a school like that, I'd think, especially given that they're a boarding school housing physically disabled students. Then again, this is one of the few scenarios where an out-of-school suspension makes sense in Yamaku - not as a punishment, but rather to keep the other students safe.
Transportation is awesome in Japan, so unless you're from Okinawa Prefecture or Hokkaido it shouldn't take all that long to get home. I also doubt Yamaku really gives any kind of suspensions all that often, and if it took longer to get home than the suspension would take, it would probably be an in-school suspension with dorm restrictions.

Also, people say I have a large vocabulary, but the truth is I almost never use a thesaurus at all. I do, however, look up every unfamiliar word I read almost immediately upon recognition, which is why I know great words like "nacreous" "concupiscence" and "parsimonious."

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Post by Reese8 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:34 pm

Leaty wrote:I want to point out here that even if Hisao had tried this in that scenario, he would not have been received nearly as successfully.
Oh, really? Interesting. Why?
Leaty wrote:Mean Time to Failure is probably the more widespread term. I don't actually have any engineering background. A quick Googling turned up the phrase (and a graph) in a thesis about power cable defects for an Electrical and Computer Engineering degree, so there you have it I guess.
Ah, thanks. For what it's worth, I think that "breakdown" sounds better here.

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Post by AntonSlavik020 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:50 pm

Reese8 wrote:
Leaty wrote:I want to point out here that even if Hisao had tried this in that scenario, he would not have been received nearly as successfully.
Oh, really? Interesting. Why?
I figure it has something to do with the fact that Hisao, being a guy who she may or may not like at that point, would make her more nervous than a girl who might be shorter than her and is about as un-intimidating as possible.
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Post by Mirage_GSM » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:56 pm

In my original envisioning of this scenario (back in 2012!), called "Missile Crisis,"...
I think you made a good choice writing this version.
I get nervous about Iwanako getting the best of Emi (and to a lesser extent, Shizune) because I'm trying to keep her out of Suesbekistan, and emotionally crucifying a main character can constitute taking a step inside.
Well, in this case getting the best of Emi wasn't really much of an achievement. It was like going into a 100m sprint with ten seconds headstart. ;-)
I'm more than a little surprised that most people think Emi had it coming, especially since she's so well-liked.
Well, she's my favourite girl, but I think she's not as well liked as she deserves :roll:
Anyway, that doesn't change the fact, that what she did was dangerous and irresponsible, so she kind of did have it coming...
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Post by Reese8 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:03 pm

AntonSlavik020 wrote:
Reese8 wrote:
Leaty wrote:I want to point out here that even if Hisao had tried this in that scenario, he would not have been received nearly as successfully.
Oh, really? Interesting. Why?
I figure it has something to do with the fact that Hisao, being a guy who she may or may not like at that point, would make her more nervous than a girl who might be shorter than her and is about as un-intimidating as possible.
May or may not like? This is the introduction, though.

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Post by bhtooefr » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:09 pm

TheHivemind did just pretty explicitly say in the Ask thread that every girl except Rin wanted to have sex with Hisao on day one...

Then again, there was the thing about not trusting word of author.
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Post by sanduba » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:27 pm

bhtooefr wrote:TheHivemind did just pretty explicitly say in the Ask thread that every girl except Rin wanted to have sex with Hisao on day one...

Then again, there was the thing about not trusting word of author.
He only met Shizune and Misha in day one lol
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Post by bhtooefr » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:32 pm

Hanako saw him too, though.

And, I interpreted that as wanting it the first day they met him.
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