Iwanako: Mean Time to Breakdown {updated 2015-4-1}

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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Oscar Wildecat » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:27 pm

Reese8 wrote:This thread got quiet rather suddenly.
I never thought of thread as being particularly noisy. Yarn, on the other hand, will keep you up half the night chattering about the smallest of details.

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Okay, now that I've satisfed my urge to Rin-ifcate, I would like to say that I've enjoyed the read so far.
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Comrade » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:50 pm

I don't really know what to say exept that I liked the last chapters, and the revision for the last one.
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by TheCatBeyondSpace! » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:48 pm

I can't wait to see how a conversation between Iwanako, and Rin, goes.
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Leaty » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:54 am

TheCatBeyondSpace! wrote:I can't wait to see how a conversation between Iwanako, and Rin, goes.
I am dreading writing that. It will happen; soonish, even, and it will be more than just a one-time thing, but I'm pretty sure Rin fans won't think I'm giving her enough credit.

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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by AntonSlavik020 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:28 am

I also looking forward to her first meeting with Lilly. Something tells me they will get along quite well.
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Bad Apple » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:46 am

Mirage_GSM wrote:I didn't have any problems with the previous version, but if you ask me, this is better.
Aw shucks. Now I feel like one nitpicky bastard. Me and my editorial, perfectionist tendencies.

That's the last time I reply without getting any sleep first. :o
AntonSlavik020 wrote:I also looking forward to her first meeting with Lilly. Something tells me they will get along quite well.
TheCatBeyondSpace! wrote:I can't wait to see how a conversation between Iwanako, and Rin, goes.
I think I've speculated on these two somewhere on my long-winded babblings a few pages back. Something about the problem being in Iwanako's bra? Which, in a way, it is. But still.
Leaty wrote: I am dreading writing that. It will happen; soonish, even, and it will be more than just a one-time thing, but I'm pretty sure Rin fans won't think I'm giving her enough credit.
If it's of any consolation, this sentence reads fairly Rin-ish already. Or at least, it reminds me of when Rin procrastinates over the mural. Getting into character so soon, are we? :P
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Mirage_GSM » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:10 am

Bad Apple wrote:
Miracle_GSM wrote:...
Aw shucks. Now I feel like one nitpicky bastard. Me and my editorial, perfectionist tendencies.
Miracle? :lol:
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by JohnnyAce » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:30 am

Well this is honestly one of the greatest concepts i've come across. There is something similar I've found called Katawa Otome, what do you think http://ks.renai.us/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=5819

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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Leaty » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:39 am

I honestly don't really have an opinion on it. I'm not very keen on drabbles because, where I stand, they're not much more than a concerted effort to get all the accolades and praise for having written something without actually putting in the effort to write very much, and they certainly (in my opinion) don't deserve their own thread. (Those, and posts along the lines of "I haven't written anything yet, but when I will, it'll go here! Image" are the most annoying thing ever. )

Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea of a gender-swapped Katawa Shoujo, outside of fanart. Ren'Py isn't expensive, and there's free assets all over the place; if you want to write a whole new game, with all new characters and all new romances, you may as well just make a new one. Since so many fanfiction writers on the internet are uncomfortable working in a Japanese setting, that would allow them to move the setting somewhere they're more comfortable with, anyway. Rewriting the entire Katawa Shoujo plot just to reverse the romantic polarity of the characters is a pointless endeavor. You're essentially just removing everything people like about the setting but hoping to retain that setting's audience anyway.

Themocaw's an okay writer but for my money I don't agree with the choices he makes. When Meadows decided to take the opening of Themocaw's fic to start off his Miki route, I gave him what I thought was a reasoned, logical explanation for why he shouldn't have done that, but the response I got was basically "Derp you sure wrote a lot of text, I don't really feel like changing anything."

My story isn't meant to be a gender swap fic, and I take umbrage to people who'll claim otherwise. It's a What If scenario where Iwanako, a canon character, is forced to walk down the road Hisao goes down in canon, and to that end, I've tried my best to portray Iwanako the way I think she'd really be like. My writing is powered by the notion claimed by at least one of the KS devs that Hisao Nakai is the True Love of whoever he decides to romance in the actual game; Iwanako, well, isn't, and that's the whole point. This isn't the Enigma of Amigara Fault; this hole is not Iwanako's and it wasn't made for her. It's an exploration of how things go differently when two characters swap tracks.

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On another note, since somebody decided to necro this thread, I guess I'll go ahead and ask the question I've been mulling over ever since the Fanfiction Archive was started. This is what this story's entry looks like in that thread:
Mean Time to Breakdown by Leaty (ongoing, word count pending)
PoV: Iwanako; Pairings: None (so far); Begins: during prologue
Remarks: AU: Iwanako has the heart attack instead of Hisao
edit: accidentally hit "submit" instead of preview...

I don't have a problem with this entry—I didn't write it, but it's fine. What I find curious, though, is that the "remarks" section spoils the fact that Iwanako has the heart attack, which, at least when I wrote that chapter, I considered a major reveal. That, however, was a year ago. MTB's entry on TVTrope's "recommended fanfics" page does the same thing.

For what it's worth, this is my own description of the story on fanfiction.net:
In the end, defying inertia, she was never able to confess to him. The heart attack, the collapse, the subsequent hospitalization, it all foreshadowed a lonely, dismal, and tragically short future. But maybe there's something there, at Yamaku Academy. In spite of the odds, can you really rebuild your life there? Divergence fic with a protagonist you may not expect.
Keeping in mind character limits, this description, in my opinion, preserved the shock of the reveal at the end of the prologue. Of course, if you click on the "reviews" page, literally every comment spoils the fact that, yes, this is a fic about Iwanako going to Yamaku. And my thread title here, as well, spoils at least the fact that this is a fic about Iwanako.

So, my question is: how important is the shock of the first chapter to a reader's enjoyment of the fic? As the writer, I don't personally know this. When I wrote it a year ago, it was just a proof-of-concept, so the stinger was fairly important, but now this is becoming a full-fledged fic, and I'm wondering if maybe I should stop fooling myself. Should I be more open about the fact that this is a story about Iwanako having Hisao's condition?

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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by LordDarknus » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:35 am

EDIT: sorry

I'm an idiot. :|
Leaty wrote: So, my question is: how important is the shock of the first chapter to a reader's enjoyment of the fic? As the writer, I don't personally know this. When I wrote it a year ago, it was just a proof-of-concept, so the stinger was fairly important, but now this is becoming a full-fledged fic, and I'm wondering if maybe I should stop fooling myself. Should I be more open about the fact that this is a story about Iwanako having Hisao's condition?
Err, it's still important to first-timers I guess, I think keeping the shock / twist is still the best.

For those who already know, they should try to hint and say "Plot Twist", but when people ask "come on, what plot twist man? Tell me,", and they can like "yeah okay, it's about someone else in Hisao's shoes."

And if they keep going like "who?", then maybe hint that it's Iwanako? ..I guess?

In the end it doesn't matter, revealing the twist versus not revealing it both have their good points and bad, and each individual case should be judged accordingly.

As long as the story is good, it shouldn't matter much. The whole story doesn't rest on a single plot twist.
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Post by Comrade » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:56 am

If you want, i will put the remark in a spolier
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Post by Leaty » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:12 am

I don't want anything done right yet. I want to hear what people think.

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Post by Comrade » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:02 am

As you wish
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Re: Mean Time to Breakdown — (Iwanako, Divergence) {u 7/19/2

Post by Reese8 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:38 am

Leaty wrote:So, my question is: how important is the shock of the first chapter to a reader's enjoyment of the fic? As the writer, I don't personally know this. When I wrote it a year ago, it was just a proof-of-concept, so the stinger was fairly important, but now this is becoming a full-fledged fic, and I'm wondering if maybe I should stop fooling myself. Should I be more open about the fact that this is a story about Iwanako having Hisao's condition?
…I never suspected that it was meant to be a shock, sorry; I thought that it was a device to make people think about the story and thus be slightly drawn in before even reading it. I mean, the wording of the description is a bit vague, which always makes one suspicious, and the title is Divergence; by themselves, the title could maybe imply just a non-game route and the description that the story was written from the other party's perspective, but the association of the title with the description lead me to immediately assume "Oh, neat, a fic where Iwanako was the one with the heart condition". Opening the story was just confirmation and the nice discovery that the interesting concept was paired with good execution (something that is sadly not universal, and I always hate finding out that a fascinating idea was wasted more than discovering that the author of "Uthornamealay the 17-year-old war hero/firefighter/pro gamer goes to Yamaku and gets all the girls" has never heard of commas).

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Post by Helbereth » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:49 am

Leaty wrote:I don't want anything done right yet. I want to hear what people think.
For me, the shock comes when you see how differently the problem effects Iwanako versus Hisao. Going into the story, you realize what's happening after the first few paragraphs, so having that particular detail in the description doesn't take much away--at least I don't think it does, anyway.
"Uthornamealay the 17-year-old war hero/firefighter/pro gamer goes to Yamaku and gets all the girls"
Ah, the penultimate iteration of wish-fulfillment fan fiction, complete with an unflappable social genius possessing a 4.0 GPA, who won the Olympics twice in a row and got sent to Yamaku because of a stubbed toe, as interpreted by a literary-inept teenage underachiever with delusions of grandeur--we should all strive to write such amazingly predictable, completely meaningless drivel.

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