Iwanako: Mean Time to Breakdown {updated 2015-4-1}

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Post by Medley » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:49 pm

dear lord, this is by far the best fic i have ever read.

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Post by Blank Mage » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:09 pm

Medley wrote:dear lord, this is by far the best fic i have ever read.
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Post by YOTC » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Blank Mage wrote:
Medley wrote:dear lord, this is by far the best fic i have ever read.
Welcome to the fan club.
Pretty much. It's pretty damn good.

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Post by Leaty » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:42 am

Heavens, I'm not worthy of resounding praise. You guys are great :)
Medley wrote:dear lord, this is by far the best fic i have ever read.
And this is by far the highest praise I could ever hope for.
Blackmambauk wrote:This fic is very much like a new game plus
Excellent. That's one of those things I've definitely always been going for.
Blackmambauk wrote:But Momomi has grown on me as the story has gone on as I feel she showed more of her own character and didn't feel like female kenji.
*nods*

Act One wouldn't feel like Act One without a Kenjiesque figure, but in most of the subsequent acts he's more of a distraction. Therefore, a character who provides the "Kenji vibe" when the Kenji vibe is needed—but turns it way down once that's no longer expedient to include in the narrative—is ideal for the story I want to tell.

I'd argue that this also happens with Rin in her own route—she's sort of a Kenji in Act One, but stops being funny pretty quickly in the subsequent acts.
Blackmambauk wrote:This fic is in the top three chart of best KS fic, the other two for me are Learning to Fly and Sisterhood.
Thank you so much! And that's fantastic company to be in!
Blackmambauk wrote:Haven't read Developments simply due to Sisterhood exploring Hanako and Lilly in every way possible
Believe me, you should read it, even if you think you're bored with those characters. Dewelar writes one of the best (if not the best) Rins I've ever seen, and his Emi and Shizune are both absolutely fantastic.

Also I wrote a sidestory to it that's probably pretty good, and basically all of Developments' world-building is canon to this story, soooooo...
Blackmambauk wrote:I have a possible idea on who the 90's anime character Iwanako takes influence from. Is suspect it's someone from Revoluntary Girl Utena for some reason or from another famous 90's anime series.
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I was never expecting anybody to guess that, but you're entirely correct. Iwanako does, indeed, take a great deal of influence from a character in Revolutionary Girl Utena. (And a modest amount from another character.) Utena is my absolute favorite anime of all time, so it's an enormous source of inspiration for me.

If anybody thinks they know which character(s) I drew from, feel free to PM me with your rationale and I'll tell you if you got it right. :twisted:

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Post by Blackmambauk » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:59 am

You have persuaded me to put development on my to read list. When I will read it can't say due to many games coming out this month and the next that I want to get, but I will read it sooner or later.

Glad to know what your aim of Momomi was, and I think you have succeeded in that.

Ah a fellow child of the 90's here. The age when you had so many good western and Japanese animation to choose from that it hurt (granted some bad series came out as well during that time) but I apply a lot of nostalgia filter to the 90's so don't mind me.

Plus so many anime series take inspiration from one or another of the most famous series from that period that it becomes hard for modern anime fans to appreciate how innovate some of these series were back in the day.

Revoluntary Girl Utena is one of these series that not many realise how much impact it had on the Shoujo genre. It's one of my favourite anime series as well and a true example to how to do Shoujo anime right and this is coming from a guy in their twenties (when Shoujo is done right it is fab, when done badly it's horrible), the level of detail in it's design of Ohari and the duels is such a love letter to Europe architecture and Rose of Versailles influence along with some good old carl jung pieces as well, the way it explores it's characters. Plays or deconstructs many prince and princesses tropes is still brilliant even after twenty years of it being out. Plus it's soundtrack is just mesmerising in every way and one I have tried to find on the internet for years to download, Hikarisasu Niwa is a major standout for me in it's beautiful piano solo.

The series is quite unique in how bizarre and funny it can be, how true to real life teenage behaviour it is at times, and how creepy and disturbing it is in it's contexts of plot and characters especially in sexual stuff and metaphors. I recommend all anime fans to view Utena at least once.

Hell the way it explores femininity overall is one very few series ever can or try to match. It also has one of the best portrayals of abuse I have ever seen done and one that really shows why, many abuse victims struggle to break free of it.

I shall pm you on which Utena character I think you used as influence for Iwanako. Sorry went off topic there but it's always great to meet another big fan of Utena.

I think you are fully deserving of the praise you are getting for your work and no doubt you shall receive more as you continue to explore Iwanako in your own fabulous way.

Look forward to seeing new chapters in the future.

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Post by Mohn_Jadden » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:15 pm

I've read a chapter, and this seems really interesting thus far. I've noticed that some aspects of your writing are kind of similar to mine, namely, the type of humor.

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Post by Leaty » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:15 am

Mohn_Jadden wrote:I've read a chapter, and this seems really interesting thus far. I've noticed that some aspects of your writing are kind of similar to mine, namely, the type of humor.
I want you to know I've been puzzling for days over which scene it was you actually read, because most of the first few chapters are pretty humor-free.

Glad you're enjoying it!

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Post by Valjean Lafitte » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:26 am

Not to derail the thread, but I'm currently watching Revolutionary Girl Utena for the first time (huge fan, will probably die when there are no episodes left) and it's driving me crazy that I can't guess which character your version of Iwanako might have been influenced by. I can think of at least two duelists who might a share a personality trait or two in common with Iwanako, but neither of them are really like Iwanako. I'd PM you my guesses, but they're probably laughably off-target.

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Post by Mirage_GSM » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:54 am

Hmm... About the only things I've seen from Utena were a few AMVs and the movie...
Can't say the movie motivated me much to see more. I had no idea what was happening the whole time, and the time when all characters suddenly transformed into race cars ranks among my "TOP 3 WTF Anime Moments" - and that is no small accomplishment.
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Post by Leaty » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:18 am

Mirage_GSM wrote:the time when all characters suddenly transformed into race cars
There's a reason we call that movie Mad Max: Yuri Road.

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Post by Eurobeatjester » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:32 am

Leaty wrote:
Mirage_GSM wrote:the time when all characters suddenly transformed into race cars
There's a reason we call that movie Mad Max: Yuri Road.
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Post by Blackmambauk » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:43 am

Mirage_GSM wrote:Hmm... About the only things I've seen from Utena were a few AMVs and the movie...
I would say overall the movie works best if you have watched the TV series first. As a lot of the film's story relies on knowing some of the context, subtext and backgrounds etc. from the TV series. Overall the film is overall fitting more of what Kunihiko Ikuhara's main vision was for Utena in the first place (the portrayal of Akio and Touga in the films are the big one's, along with giving fan's the Utena and Anthy ending in his own unique way.) The TV series as someone once pointed out on Tvtropes was a comprise between Kunihiko and the Utena manga writer Chiho Saito aka the person who supposedly hates the Anthy and Utena pairing.

Granted the TV series as I have said before has a few wtf moments of it's own. It's not everyone's cup of tea and I would say it needs to be watched a few times to really get everything tha goes on in it.
Valjean Lafitte wrote:it's driving me crazy that I can't guess which character your version of Iwanako might have been influenced by.
I have pmed Leaty on who I think influenced Iwanako, two of my guesses was actually not one of the duellists. The one duellist I think had some influence on Iwanako at first glance couldn't be more different, but looking below the surface the two have more in common than it seems and not just in personality traits either, it's the same a bit for the other two guesses I had. Though that's me being me in analysing stuff.

Watch the whole of Utena so you can see the characters in full then pm Leaty anyway on who you think influenced Iwanako, you might end up guessing right.

Anyways best to get back on topic, otherwise we be here forever discussing Utena. I wasn't sure if my guess on a Utena character having influenced Iwanako would be accurate, but after seeing Leaty's pervious posts on what influences of fiction who have been used, I suspected that Utena would be an anime one since it seemed like something Leaty would enjoy a lot for a variety of different reasons I imagine.

Here's something to inspire thinking on the Utena matter and overall what I do when thinking.

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Post by slartibartfast » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:18 pm

I discovered this fic back in the summer, and it's still my favourite. I can't wait for the next chapter (no pressure). :wink:
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Post by vdawg1337 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:28 am

Yuri route?

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Post by Leaty » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:03 pm

slartibartfast wrote:I discovered this fic back in the summer, and it's still my favourite.
Thank you so much :) I've tried to write kind of story I wished this fandom would have had, so hopefully I'm sating the appetite of others with similar tastes.
vdawg1337 wrote:Yuri route?
I don't consider this story a route, and I don't consider it yuri for a myriad of reasons. Iwanako will have a romantic relationship with a female character in this story. That's all I'm revealing.

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