That's far too excessive to be anything other than asinine. It's also pretty illogical...KeiichiO wrote:"If you're not willing to give it your all, you might as well be dead."
I have no such patience, so I'd just bail for Lilly or Akira.
How? If you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?Khalego wrote:That's far too excessive to be anything other than asinine. It's also pretty illogical...KeiichiO wrote:"If you're not willing to give it your all, you might as well be dead."
Effort is one thing, 'all' is quite another. In the real world, there is much real competition for your 'all'. It's like friendships; if you have more than one friend, pretty obviously you're not going to give them each your 'all'. As for 'if you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?'—clearly, you have to put non-zero effort in, or else you wouldn't be doing anything at all…KeiichiO wrote:How? If you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?Khalego wrote:That's far too excessive to be anything other than asinine. It's also pretty illogical...KeiichiO wrote:"If you're not willing to give it your all, you might as well be dead."
KeiichiO wrote:How? If you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?Khalego wrote:That's far too excessive to be anything other than asinine. It's also pretty illogical...KeiichiO wrote:"If you're not willing to give it your all, you might as well be dead."
Yes, I agree with what was said here. "Giving your all" implies that you're dedicating as much time and resources to something as possible, and it can certainly both be unhealthy (for either party) or just not worth it.brythain wrote:Effort is one thing, 'all' is quite another. In the real world, there is much real competition for your 'all'. It's like friendships; if you have more than one friend, pretty obviously you're not going to give them each your 'all'. As for 'if you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?'—clearly, you have to put non-zero effort in, or else you wouldn't be doing anything at all…KeiichiO wrote: How? If you're not going to put effort into something, then what's the point?
Just to make sure - you have played her route, right?Khalego wrote:@Harvest: She really isn't that difficult to crack. The problem is having the patience to even bother.
Relevant: Rin gives her all to art and in doing so drives a wedge between herself and Hisao (and everyone/thing else) and starves herself. And also fails in her artistic endeavor anyway because the strain cracks her like an egg. It was paraphrased. Don't take it so literally.Khalego wrote:If I only give half effort, that isn't my all. Via that philosophy there, half effort is equivalent to no effort at all ergo "you might as well be dead [and thus putting no effort anywhere, what with being a corpse and all]". That equivalence is simply illogical. And effort, quite frankly, just isn't an all-or-nothing deal.
Paraphrased or not, unless you just mangled the original sentiment in the process, said sentiment remains illogical.KeiichiO wrote:It was paraphrased. Don't take it so literally.Khalego wrote:If I only give half effort, that isn't my all. Via that philosophy there, half effort is equivalent to no effort at all ergo "you might as well be dead [and thus putting no effort anywhere, what with being a corpse and all]". That equivalence is simply illogical. And effort, quite frankly, just isn't an all-or-nothing deal.
Nope, it was to that effect, and I still personally think it's a good philosophy. Just harshly phrased. It helps me accomplish things, and that's good enough for me.Khalego wrote:Paraphrased or not, unless you just mangled the original sentiment in the process, said sentiment remains illogical.KeiichiO wrote:It was paraphrased. Don't take it so literally.Khalego wrote:If I only give half effort, that isn't my all. Via that philosophy there, half effort is equivalent to no effort at all ergo "you might as well be dead [and thus putting no effort anywhere, what with being a corpse and all]". That equivalence is simply illogical. And effort, quite frankly, just isn't an all-or-nothing deal.
Something I wish I'd learned about a decade and a half sooner.Mirage_GSM wrote:Well, when I was 19, I probably thought the same way, but I've since learned that sometimes you just can't make it work no matter the lengths you go to.
From the bottom of a dark Scottish lake…Zykes wrote:A feel that a dark creature is now lurking in the thread...
And it was about that time I realized, that wasn't no Girl Scout. It was the goddamned Loch Ness Monster! And I said "What do you WANT from me, Monster?!" and he leans down real close and says..."I need about tree fiddy." GOD DAMMIT LOCH NESS MONSTER I AIN'T GIVIN' YOU NO GODDAMN TREE FIDDY!Atario wrote:From the bottom of a dark Scottish lake…
See, here's the thing about long-term relationships: they require a degree of compromise. Both people would be making some effort to comprehend the other, as well as become more comprehensible to the other. If a couple years go by, and Rin is still being opaque to the same degree that she was on day one...well, then She's Just Not That Into You.HarvestmanMan wrote:Here's the deal. I believe that communication is one of the most vital aspects of any relationship that's worth putting time and effort into.
Communication with Rin is a pain in the ass and a half.
Unless you've got personality quirks just like Rin's, I don't see how it could possibly work.
Good point about her pace. If you're not into that, then it's not likely you'd find too much in common with her. While I don't really make it a habit to sit and do nothing all day, I care more about the company I'm with than what I'm doing, so I really wouldn't mind just being with her even if we're not doing anything. But if I wanted to go do something, I'm sure she wouldn't hold me back. Through out the story, she would go out to the city with you, walk out to the woods with you, etc. So I really don't see that as a problem for me. Even if I'm doing something active that she might not be able to participate in, I'm sure she won't mind just hanging out there watching the clouds or painting while I do my thing.dewelar wrote:Going back just a bit...
See, here's the thing about long-term relationships: they require a degree of compromise. Both people would be making some effort to comprehend the other, as well as become more comprehensible to the other. If a couple years go by, and Rin is still being opaque to the same degree that she was on day one...well, then She's Just Not That Into You.HarvestmanMan wrote:Here's the deal. I believe that communication is one of the most vital aspects of any relationship that's worth putting time and effort into.
Communication with Rin is a pain in the ass and a half.
Unless you've got personality quirks just like Rin's, I don't see how it could possibly work.
That said...I find Rin to be pretty comprehensible already. Others have already said what I'd have to say regarding making efforts to accommodate her physical limitations (of which I have some of my own). The bigger obstacle to my having a long-term relationship with her is that I'd have trouble falling into the pace of her life. I've never been the type that could spend hours just watching clouds, especially when I was in high school. I don't know that that's something that could be overcome.
