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Post by Munchenhausen » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:09 pm

Eurobeatjester wrote:I never said it was, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make and you know that.
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Post by Eurobeatjester » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:18 pm

Sorry, I'm obligated to respond to posts like that either like that, or with a picture of a bald eagle crying.

I'm pretty sure that's somewhere in the constitution
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Post by bhtooefr » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:20 pm

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the loudest anti-man feminists are actually professional strawwomen.

As in, hired by the patriarchy to discredit feminism.
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Post by Pyramid Head » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:14 pm

bhtooefr wrote:Also, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the loudest anti-man feminists are actually professional strawwomen.

As in, hired by the patriarchy to discredit feminism.
Oh, you mean like how PETA was hired by KFC to discredit real animal rights activists? And how Justin Bieber was hired by a hysterical anti-art cult to discredit music?
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Post by Eurobeatjester » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:21 pm

Pyramid Head wrote: And how Justin Bieber was hired by a hysterical anti-art cult to discredit music?
You mean he wasn't? :o
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Post by Guest Poster » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:52 am

Feminism is inheritly flawed. as it's name suggests, it empowers women over men, not promoting equality.
Where did you get that definition from? I was always taught that feminism is about equality between men and women, not superiority of one gender over the other. Most actual feminists, not the radical reverse-mysoginists, would cringe on the female-on-male abuse shown in that video earlier.
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Feminism is inheritly flawed. as it's name suggests, it empowers women over men, not promoting equality.
Where did you get that definition from? I was always taught that feminism is about equality between men and women, not superiority of one gender over the other. Most actual feminists, not the radical reverse-mysoginists, would cringe on the female-on-male abuse shown in that video earlier.
That is what it's about, but in that case, why not just say egalitarianism? It's not that the actual movement supports inequality, it's that the name seems to suggest it unintentionally.
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Guest Poster wrote:
Feminism is inheritly flawed. as it's name suggests, it empowers women over men, not promoting equality.
Where did you get that definition from? I was always taught that feminism is about equality between men and women, not superiority of one gender over the other. Most actual feminists, not the radical reverse-mysoginists, would cringe on the female-on-male abuse shown in that video earlier.
Feminism is pro-women on the assumption that there is local, regional or universal need for application of kratos, bia or dunamis in making women equal to men as far as socioeconomic or sociocultural concerns are involved. We seldom see masculinism because historically women have often been seen to have had the short end of the stick. Humans are a varied species, so all kinds of other situations have arisen over time. It's interesting to study.

You might therefore say that feminism empowers women more than it empowers men, and be perfectly correct. It is thus not an equal promotion, but the promotion of (i.e. movement-towards) equality—the goal that all humans should have equal rights of access, authority and action regardless of biological gender.

Egalitarianism is movement towards equal rights (see above) without specific regard for biological gender.
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Post by Silentcook » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:10 am

It's been kind of two pages since this had anything at all to do with ignorant things said by Internet know-it-alls or with KS, peeps.
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Post by brythain » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:17 am

It's interesting to trawl the pages of the fanfiction section and see how some people have not got the idea of research yet. :)
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Post by SpunkySix » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:47 am

Silentcook wrote:It's been kind of two pages since this had anything at all to do with ignorant things said by Internet know-it-alls or with KS, peeps.
Hint taken. Guys, if we don't have anything original topic relevant to add, we should probably take this elsewhere.
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Post by Comrade » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:57 am

brythain wrote:
Guest Poster wrote:
Feminism is inheritly flawed. as it's name suggests, it empowers women over men, not promoting equality.
Where did you get that definition from? I was always taught that feminism is about equality between men and women, not superiority of one gender over the other. Most actual feminists, not the radical reverse-mysoginists, would cringe on the female-on-male abuse shown in that video earlier.
Feminism is pro-women on the assumption that there is local, regional or universal need for application of kratos, bia or dunamis in making women equal to men as far as socioeconomic or sociocultural concerns are involved. We seldom see masculinism because historically women have often been seen to have had the short end of the stick. Humans are a varied species, so all kinds of other situations have arisen over time. It's interesting to study.

You might therefore say that feminism empowers women more than it empowers men, and be perfectly correct. It is thus not an equal promotion, but the promotion of (i.e. movement-towards) equality—the goal that all humans should have equal rights of access, authority and action regardless of biological gender.

Egalitarianism is movement towards equal rights (see above) without specific regard for biological gender.
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Post by brythain » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:18 am

Comrade wrote:have you ever heard the term pesudo intellectual? It is a homographic term for material conditons that create class systems with accordance to historical materialism and dialects

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Wow, I can't say I've ever heard those terms strung together like that! :D
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Post by Comrade » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:23 am

brythain wrote:
Comrade wrote:have you ever heard the term pesudo intellectual? It is a homographic term for material conditons that create class systems with accordance to historical materialism and dialects

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Wow, I can't say I've ever heard those terms strung together like that! :D
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Post by Lianam » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:49 am

On the topic of the men/women equality topic, I would like to point your attention to Persona 4 for some food-for-thought- one of the characters in that game is gay and wants to be "a man" and he denies the fact that he's gay because society deems homosexuality "unmanly", and another character is a girl who pretends to be a boy in order to escape her gender-role, believing that you have to be a man to reach her desired level of success in her male-dominated field.

Alright, time to put things back on track.
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On why does this happen, It's something I considered a lot before and I think it has to do with the Ghetto Corollary of Sturgeon's Law; in the west, Visual Novels are not a "respectable" medium, therefore, the majority of people who haven't played a VN in the west assume that every VN is hentai. Add to that that 4LS came originated from 4chan, which is not a "respectable" website for the majority of people who never been there and assume that all of 4chan is like /b/, and you can see where some of KS's unfavorable assumptions come from. Then add to that the disabilities, and you get a double standard originating for the subconscious "disabilities aren't normal and therefore repulsive/no one with them can be loved" and people assume that the people who created it and play it must be have a fetish, or the thing must be a parody (I was guilty of the latter). All together, this results in the assumption of "KS MUST be nothing more than fetish-fuel that turns "cripples" into sex toys."
What can we learn from this?
That in order to change this we need to change people's belief- and the best way we can do that is to get them to play KS. How? Well my suggestion is simple: Lie. Tell them that KS is a parody and a must-play, similar to Hatoful Boyfriend.
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