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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Broomhead » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:51 pm

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by CoffeeDrive » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:52 am

Broomhead wrote:Game?
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Liminaut » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:09 pm

I've been going through the Lilly route, and something is really starting to bug me.

Throughout the route, Hisao is in denial about his heart. He is constantly saying how fine he is, and how nobody else should worry about him, etc. However, the decision points are are about being open and honest about his condition. So the player has to go completely against the character in order to get the good ending.. Contrast this with the Emi route, where Hisao is trying to get EMi to let others help her, and the successful decision points are about Hisao allowing others to help him.

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Broomhead » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:19 pm

I'd argue this is actually, to an extent, good characterization. I don't remember anything word-for-word, but I got the vibe that him being honest showed his devotion to Lilly, a needed change. Personally, I know many people who would be more attractive if they were more open. But that's just me. Also, Lilly-Hisao makes fundamentally different choices from Emi-Hisao, so it's safe to assume that they are slightly different in character.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Guest Poster » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:54 am

In Lilly's case, Hisao does indeed seem partially in denial and it's the player's duty to bend him just enough to move him out of that denial zone. Him being honest in the little things (the choice points) eventually extends to him also being able to take a look in the mirror and being honest enough to admit where he went wrong, resulting in the airport chase. Hisao's choice points in that route don't really have anything to do with Lilly. It's about Hisao being able to be honest with himself. If he doesn't grow during those points, he'll be unable to adapt when it really matters.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Liminaut » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:11 am

Guest Poster wrote:In Lilly's case, Hisao does indeed seem partially in denial and it's the player's duty to bend him just enough to move him out of that denial zone. Him being honest in the little things (the choice points) eventually extends to him also being able to take a look in the mirror and being honest enough to admit where he went wrong, resulting in the airport chase. Hisao's choice points in that route don't really have anything to do with Lilly. It's about Hisao being able to be honest with himself. If he doesn't grow during those points, he'll be unable to adapt when it really matters.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Atario » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:43 am

Liminaut wrote:Throughout the route, Hisao is in denial about his heart. He is constantly saying how fine he is, and how nobody else should worry about him, etc.
It's really more about the latter part, there — hiding things so as not to trouble others. This is a constant source of tension in Japanese (and lots of other) culture. And it's just what Lilly does, too. As ingrained as this value is, usually the Æsop is to fight against this kind of hiding, to let your friends help you, not to try to do everything on your own, to be open and honest, etc.; and to encourage the same in others. (And that's where Emi's lesson aligns with this one. Letting others in = good, shutting others out (whether for their sake or your own) = bad.)
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Zarys » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:27 pm

Atario wrote:
Liminaut wrote:Throughout the route, Hisao is in denial about his heart. He is constantly saying how fine he is, and how nobody else should worry about him, etc.
It's really more about the latter part, there — hiding things so as not to trouble others. This is a constant source of tension in Japanese (and lots of other) culture. And it's just what Lilly does, too. As ingrained as this value is, usually the Æsop is to fight against this kind of hiding, to let your friends help you, not to try to do everything on your own, to be open and honest, etc.; and to encourage the same in others. (And that's where Emi's lesson aligns with this one. Letting others in = good, shutting others out (whether for their sake or your own) = bad.)

Why specify Japan ? this kind of behavior happen everywhere, and I don't think the devs wrote KS with with the Japanese social context in mind.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by CoffeeDrive » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:48 pm

Zarys wrote:
Atario wrote:
Liminaut wrote:Throughout the route, Hisao is in denial about his heart. He is constantly saying how fine he is, and how nobody else should worry about him, etc.
It's really more about the latter part, there — hiding things so as not to trouble others. This is a constant source of tension in Japanese (and lots of other) culture. And it's just what Lilly does, too. As ingrained as this value is, usually the Æsop is to fight against this kind of hiding, to let your friends help you, not to try to do everything on your own, to be open and honest, etc.; and to encourage the same in others. (And that's where Emi's lesson aligns with this one. Letting others in = good, shutting others out (whether for their sake or your own) = bad.)

Why specify Japan ? this kind of behavior happen everywhere, and I don't think the devs wrote KS with with the Japanese social context in mind.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Atario » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:49 pm

Zarys wrote:
Atario wrote:This is a constant source of tension in Japanese (and lots of other) culture.

Why specify Japan ?
Because that's the setting of the game, and a place where this sort of thing (the importance vs. impracticality of not troubling others no matter what) is quite prominent culturally.
this kind of behavior happen everywhere
It's not a cultural norm everywhere, but lots of places. Thus the qualifier "(and lots of other)".
and I don't think the devs wrote KS with with the Japanese social context in mind.
They weren't as hardcore about it as they could have been, but they certainly did take a lot of these things into account.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by dewelar » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:28 pm

So, how does everyone think the Satous voted in today's referendum on Scottish independence?
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by brythain » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:50 pm

dewelar wrote:So, how does everyone think the Satous voted in today's referendum on Scottish independence?
Akira for, Lilly against. The former likes the idea of independence against the odds; the latter is all for a stable relationship when two parties are geographically united. :)

Update1: At this point in time, Highland council area (Inverness is the Highlands capital) results are projected at 53-47 in favour of 'no'. Lilly is smirking gently, Akira is drinking and looking resigned.

Update2: Dundee declares 'yes', also 53-47. A close run thing. Lilly sulking a little. Akira is eyeing the Schnapps, although her father has begun tapping his finger irritably on the great table. Her mother is humming 'Scotland the Brave'.

Update3: West Dunbartonshire goes 'yes', 54-46. However, most of the rest are pretty firmly 'no', except Inverclyde, which went down to the wire. Lilly has nabbed the Schnapps, although she's not drunk the stuff before. Akira looks outraged, but another finger of Laphroaig sits in her tumbler.

Update4: Stirling goes 'no' in a relatively big way, 60-40. Lilly has begun sipping the Schnapps, with a slightly dubious look on her face. Akira has her eyes closed and is massaging the bridge of her nose. Mr Satou is playing a game on his smartphone. Mrs Satou is kibitzing.

Update5: As Aberdeen goes 59-41 'no', Akira throws the ice out of her tumbler and into the unlit decorative fireplace.

Update6: Mr Satou lets out a derisive laugh as he hears former MP Tommy Sheridan declare on the BBC, "I feel that the British establishment has mobilised the big guns, they have mobilised the bankers, they have mobilised the billionaires, they have mobilised the supermarkets, they have all been corralled into Number 10 and told to get out there and frighten people and I think that people have been frightened." Akira flings her tumbler into the fireplace, eliciting a furious "Daughter!" from her father and, "Dear!" from her mother simultaneously. She gets up and goes upstairs. Lilly giggles, a bit too much. Mrs Satou gently removes the Schnapps and Lilly pouts.

Update7: It's 5 am. The Satous all decide to go to bed, despite Lilly mumbling, "Can't I stay up late just this once?" Her mother hugs her gently and escorts her to her room. As the door closes, Lilly feels her way past her bedside shelf, then stops. There's an old wooden music box there. She opens it, and a familiar tune begins to play. Lilly whispers, "Once people have come together, they shouldn't have to part."

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by dewelar » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:00 pm

brythain wrote:
dewelar wrote:So, how does everyone think the Satous voted in today's referendum on Scottish independence?
Akira for, Lilly against. The former likes the idea of independence against the odds; the latter is all for a stable relationship when two parties are geographically united. :)
I also expect that Hiroyuki is a 'no' vote, assuming he has Scottish citizenship and can vote. Sorch...I mean Karla (ugh) would also be against it, as despite her Scottish pride I also see her as practical, something of a traditionalist and someone who prefers not to make waves.
Update: At this point in time, Highland council area (Inverness is the Highlands capital) results are projected at 53-47 in favour of 'no'. Lilly is smirking gently, Akira is drinking and looking resigned.
Heh. I can totally see that.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Guest Poster » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:35 pm

Lilly's dad would most likely vote a "no" if he was asked to vote without getting the opportunity to look into the matter. Japanese are traditionally very risk-averse, so something like this would make him frown. If, however, he felt like this had some long-term benefits, he might consider changing his vote, because he likes to keep his eye on the long run of things.

Lilly's mom, I have no idea. I think her opinion would be quite nuanced, since she's a former reporter and she'd try to get to the bottom of it and weigh both the pros and cons. And since I don't really know enough about the pros and cons myself, I wouldn't be able to predict how she'd vote.
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