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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by SpunkySix » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:50 pm

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I think a Shizune-only route could have been just as interesting, people don't find her compelling but we're not given nearly as much opportunity to talk to her because (Jan Brady voice) Misha Misha Misha!
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Broomhead » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:08 pm

metalangel wrote:I think a Shizune-only route could have been just as interesting, people don't find her compelling but we're not given nearly as much opportunity to talk to her because (Jan Brady voice) Misha Misha Misha!
Hmm. While I don't fault either the author or Shizune herself for this, I think that Misha was not the issue. While Misha ("the second girl") does draw screen time from Shizune ("The Romanced Girl"), The scenes in which we did talk to Shizune alone I could not draw much about her. (Speaking as an avid reader, scenes which involve more than two characters give great character development due to the levels of interaction you can stick in. Thus, having both Shizune and Misha to develop Shizune's character with is a bonus some routes do not have quite as much time with.) I understand several of her devotees say that you can, and I believe that they could.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Eurobeatjester » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:46 pm

Hmm, a fic involving Misha and Hanako? That seems interesting...
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by SpunkySix » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:09 pm

Eurobeatjester wrote:Hmm, a fic involving Misha and Hanako? That seems interesting...
The portmanteau "Mishanako" comes to mind.
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Post by bhtooefr » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:13 pm

It's worth noting that I don't think they'd be a good couple (although I could see them trying anyway), for what it's worth.
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Post by dewelar » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:39 pm

bhtooefr wrote:It's worth noting that I don't think they'd be a good couple (although I could see them trying anyway), for what it's worth.
I would agree with this. I think the two of them would feed off each other's negative outlook to a dangerous extent.
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Post by bhtooefr » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:31 pm

That's also my one issue with my OTP of Hanako x Akira... I think they could do an amazing job of supporting each other through the massive amount of bullshit they both experience, but I think they could easily drag each other down into a sexy lesbian suicide pact, as well, to be honest.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by pc-23 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:59 pm

I know this is off the current topic, but I couldn't find a thread for this, and it didn't seem worth making it's own thread.

Does anyone know of a graphic of KS's timelines? I don't mean flowcharts of scenes and choices, but rather what events occur on simultaneous dates and how much time passes between different acts, etc.

P.S. Regarding the current topic... Hisao is a pretty negative person too, but his relationship with Hanako is manageable. As long as any potential pairings keep a level head, I think the same can be said for them.

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by d2r » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:05 pm

pc-23 wrote:I know this is off the current topic, but I couldn't find a thread for this, and it didn't seem worth making it's own thread.

Does anyone know of a graphic of KS's timelines? I don't mean flowcharts of scenes and choices, but rather what events occur on simultaneous dates and how much time passes between different acts, etc.

P.S. Regarding the current topic... Hisao is a pretty negative person too, but his relationship with Hanako is manageable. As long as any potential pairings keep a level head, I think the same can be said for them.
The problem with such a graphic is that there are continuity errors between some of the routes (e.g. Lilly showing up late in Shizune's route if you're committed to the bad ending, even though she should be in Scotland) which complicate the matter. It could be done in theory, but I don't think anyone's done it as far as I am aware.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by dewelar » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:18 pm

pc-23 wrote:P.S. Regarding the current topic... Hisao is a pretty negative person too, but his relationship with Hanako is manageable. As long as any potential pairings keep a level head, I think the same can be said for them.
*nods* The difference for me is that Hisao's fall into negativity came about due to his heart attack and subsequent hospitalization, so it's a more recent (and therefore possibly more transitory) state. It's not as ingrained in his basic character as Hanako's or Misha's, so he's much better able to balance out Hanako. I'd argue that he's already starting to overcome it within himself by the end of her route, which then allowed him to help Hanako to take the first step toward doing the same in the final scene.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by bhtooefr » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:53 am

d2r wrote:The problem with such a graphic is that there are continuity errors between some of the routes (e.g. Lilly showing up late in Shizune's route if you're committed to the bad ending, even though she should be in Scotland) which complicate the matter. It could be done in theory, but I don't think anyone's done it as far as I am aware.
However, that conflict can be resolved simply by ignoring word of dev on the matter (and word of dev is that word of dev isn't canon). For instance, my headcanon is that in every route except her own bad and possibly Hanako's bad or good ends (I don't think neutral), Lilly stays in Japan for Hanako's sake. After all, in Lilly's bad and Hanako's good ends, Hanako has Hisao, and in Hanako's bad end, the bridge has already been burned with Lilly.

The real conflict is Tanabata between the routes. (Also, if you want to try to run a pre-KS timeline, Lilly's route is internally inconsistent. I resolve it by saying that she initially grew up in Hakodate, Hokkaido (which is a guesstimate based on the time it took to get there), her family moved to Natori or Iwanuma when she was young (just south of Sendai, even though the school I think she went to is on the north side and actually slightly further than my headcanon (or especially word of dev, but that conflicts with canon for how far out it is) for where Yamaku is - canon said she's south of Sendai IIRC), and then Akira and Lilly sold their old home in Hokkaido to buy the summer home (but Akira still lives in the home in Natori or Iwanuma).
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Silentcook » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:18 am

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I'd like to point out that canon doesn't say where Yamaku is.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Munchenhausen » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:42 pm

Hey, I've just come back froma weekend away and the topic has changed multiple times.

Can someone give me a quick catch up? ;)
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by bhtooefr » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:37 pm

Silentcook wrote:
bhtooefr wrote:words
I'd like to point out that canon doesn't say where Yamaku is.
Point.

Although... Where else would it be? (I know, there is no canon.)
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Silentcook » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:07 pm

Elsewhere. 8)

...okayno, "clever" answers aside, you people have analyzed to death the reasons why it CAN'T realistically be there. It probably can't actually BE anywhere but within the spatial warp of Cripple Wonderland and still fit canon, but a least-improbability interpretation still points to much further south than Sendai.
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