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Re: The extent of Shi-chan's mutism

Post by Atario » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:45 am

Munchenhausen wrote:Shizune's mutism is largely down to her deafness, right?
My pet theory is on this that Shizune's been told she sounded funny or strange when she spoke, or she just came to know that some people think of a "deaf accent" that way, and so chooses not to attempt speech in order to avoid people thinking that way about her.
My question is if she was pushed down the stairs, would she make a noise?
Depends. Are the stairs padded?
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Re: The extent of Shi-chan's mutism

Post by Munchenhausen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:52 am

Atario wrote:
Munchenhausen wrote:Shizune's mutism is largely down to her deafness, right?
My pet theory is on this that Shizune's been told she sounded funny or strange when she spoke, or she just came to know that some people think of a "deaf accent" that way, and so chooses not to attempt speech in order to avoid people thinking that way about her.
Aye, that's what I mean. I think I remember somewhere saying she was embarrassed by her voice, but I can't confirm whether it was canon, fanfic, or even related to KS :lol:
Depends. Are the stairs padded?
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by ogorhan » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:22 am

Well if someone is born deaf would they even know how to speak let alone have the correct prononciation? But then again if you cant even hear how would you even know how they are pronounced. I mean I guess you can learn it through reading or sign language (dunno if both are possible).

Or we can go with the other option that she can speak but choses not to.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by ParagonTerminus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 am

ogorhan wrote:Well if someone is born deaf would they even know how to speak let alone have the correct prononciation? But then again if you cant even hear how would you even know how they are pronounced. I mean I guess you can learn it through reading or sign language (dunno if both are possible).

Or we can go with the other option that she can speak but choses not to.
Well, let's take the example of Hellen Keller. She was deaf (and blind) and still learned how to speak and even wrote her own book, though I suspect that was done with someone else's help.

My guess for people who are deaf but can see, however, is that they just read the letters and form the sounds in their head. It's just a basic instinct, I suppose.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by SpunkySix » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:09 am

ParagonTerminus wrote:
ogorhan wrote:Well if someone is born deaf would they even know how to speak let alone have the correct prononciation? But then again if you cant even hear how would you even know how they are pronounced. I mean I guess you can learn it through reading or sign language (dunno if both are possible).

Or we can go with the other option that she can speak but choses not to.
Well, let's take the example of Hellen Keller. She was deaf (and blind) and still learned how to speak and even wrote her own book, though I suspect that was done with someone else's help.

My guess for people who are deaf but can see, however, is that they just read the letters and form the sounds in their head. It's just a basic instinct, I suppose.
I doubt they can naturally hear those. I'd think she'd need coaching for that.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by ParagonTerminus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:31 am

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ogorhan wrote:Well if someone is born deaf would they even know how to speak let alone have the correct prononciation? But then again if you cant even hear how would you even know how they are pronounced. I mean I guess you can learn it through reading or sign language (dunno if both are possible).

Or we can go with the other option that she can speak but choses not to.
Well, let's take the example of Hellen Keller. She was deaf (and blind) and still learned how to speak and even wrote her own book, though I suspect that was done with someone else's help.

My guess for people who are deaf but can see, however, is that they just read the letters and form the sounds in their head. It's just a basic instinct, I suppose.
I doubt they can naturally hear those. I'd think she'd need coaching for that.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Munchenhausen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:01 pm

ogorhan wrote:Well if someone is born deaf would they even know how to speak let alone have the correct prononciation? But then again if you cant even hear how would you even know how they are pronounced. I mean I guess you can learn it through reading or sign language (dunno if both are possible).

Or we can go with the other option that she can speak but choses not to.
I would say she doesn't really know how to speak. She can probably attempt it by studying mouth shapes and trying her best to copy them, but as proved by other deaf people who try this, her speech will come out near incomprehensible since she wont know what to do with her tongue.

I expect her experience with speech is probably the case that in the few times she's attempted to use her voice, it's resulted in ridicule (Jigoro and/or other schoolmates) and has led her to take the mentality that using her voice is not only useless, but countrproductive.

Hence, she's built the habit of silent laughter. Her voice embarrasses her to the point that she'll even force herself to laugh mutely, and in turn she's been doing that so long that she does it naturally.

Which brings us back to my initial question.
Do you think if she fell from the roof, for example, she would scream instinctively or do you think her shout would be habitually silenced?
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Re: The extent of Shi-chan's mutism

Post by SiniisteR » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:16 pm

Munchenhausen wrote: My question is if she was pushed down the stairs, would she make a noise?
We both know there's only way to find out.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by ParagonTerminus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:21 pm

Munchenhausen wrote:*snippydippy*
Screaming is a natural instinct built into our brains. It takes no conscious effort, so yeah, she would scream.

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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by CoffeeDrive » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:40 pm

Your brain has built in functions to scream, cry, yelp, moan (Pain and sexually, or both at once, if youre into that.) and other basic functions. And you dont have to learn how to do it, as such, shizune could and probably would scream, but in other cases she would probably mute herself.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by brythain » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:56 pm

CoffeeDrive wrote:Your brain has built in functions to scream, cry, yelp, moan (Pain and sexually, or both at once, if youre into that.) and other basic functions. And you dont have to learn how to do it, as such, shizune could and probably would scream, but in other cases she would probably mute herself.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Munchenhausen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:08 pm

CoffeeDrive wrote:Your brain has built in functions to scream, cry, yelp, moan (Pain and sexually, or both at once, if youre into that.) and other basic functions. And you dont have to learn how to do it, as such, shizune could and probably would scream, but in other cases she would probably mute herself.
And so is laughter, yet she's managed to train herself to mute that. Think it would cross over, or would she need to actively retrain each response to be muted? :P
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Atario » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:27 pm

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Shizune wrote:[I should just stop now, and leave you stewing in your lust.]
She says, as she starts grinding herself against me, causing me to blink at the sudden pleasure. Very funny, Shizune. I soon lose track of my thoughts.
Shizune wrote:"…sss."
Shizune bites her lip to muffle her voice from coming out. An unwanted voice. This is the most I've ever heard of it, and she blushes once she realizes she let it slip out.

To cover it up, Shizune drives herself against me harder, causing me to jolt against her, driving my erection deeper into her.

I thrust my hips towards her at the sudden sensation of movement, and Shizune fights against me, trying to pin me back down when I manage to pull my arms out from under me.

In that moment, her hips thrust back with even greater force in response.

The sound of Shizune's soft, restrained moans, and the sight of her bountiful breasts moving up and down each time her hips buckle against mine, grow more arousing with time in the stillness of the student council room.
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(Also note the quotation marks versus brackets convention of spoken versus signed speech.)

This says to me that she most assuredly is capable of making sounds with her voice, and of failing to restrain herself from doing so in more compelling situations.
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Zarys » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:33 pm

She can vocalize (but try to avoid) but not really speak.
She is no realy mute, but like many born deaf, she can not speak and sign language is much more efficient. (And I don't understand why Hideaki and Jigoro don't learn sign language...if Jigoro don't want, why don't allow his son to learn if he want ?)
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Re: Random KS Discussion

Post by Munchenhausen » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Atario wrote:Observe:

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(Also note the quotation marks versus brackets convention of spoken versus signed speech.)

This says to me that she most assuredly is capable of making sounds with her voice, and of failing to restrain herself from doing so in more compelling situations.
With a contented heart, and currently a boner, I draw my case to a close.
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