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Shizune's Mum

Post by Munchenhausen » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:25 pm

Something that I haven't seen touched upon, topic nor VN, is Shizune's mum.
Dead? I think so. But how? Why? Feminists? Hideaki's fault? Was she on the NHS?

I remember one of Doomish's stories, 'Braving The Storm', said that Shizune's Mother was an avid Katana collector, with the one he wears around being the last possession he has of her's.
Kinda keep that in my headcanon, now

What do you lot think?
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by AaronIsCrunchy » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:35 pm

Firstly, I saw the title and instantly said 'has got it going on.' I feel ashamed of myself.

Anyway, to the topic! I would say she was killed in an accident on a family holiday, or something like that. They strike me as quite an outdoorsy/active family (at least, if Jigoro is deciding where they're going), so maybe some competition was sparked up and it in the heat of the moment something happened? I dunno.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Steinherz » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:51 pm

I personally believe that she's either-
A: Alive and well, just not home when Hisao visits Shizune's home.
B: Divorced from Jigoro and living with her brother in Scotland.
C: Dead
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by SpunkySix » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:39 pm

AaronIsCrunchy wrote:Firstly, I saw the title and instantly said 'has got it going on.'
I did the exact same thing.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Oddball » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:17 pm

I've never really put much thought into her character.

I suppose she'd be the one in the family that knew sign language. Most of Shizune's interaction with others would have been through her. I don't much care for the idea of her being dead either. We already have two of our heroines with dead parents, three would be a bit much. One story I've read said that she was a fashion designer and traveled alot. I kind of like that idea. Nothing's happened to her, she just isn't home very often.
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Post by brythain » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:34 pm

Oddball wrote:I've never really put much thought into her character.

I suppose she'd be the one in the family that knew sign language. Most of Shizune's interaction with others would have been through her. I don't much care for the idea of her being dead either. We already have two of our heroines with dead parents, three would be a bit much. One story I've read said that she was a fashion designer and traveled alot. I kind of like that idea. Nothing's happened to her, she just isn't home very often.
Suits my sense of symmetry though. Just as Rin/Emi form a thematic pair, so would Shizune/Emi. Now if you see Shizune/dark/motherless and Emi/bright/fatherless as opposing elements, then Hanako is right in between — her body is halfway between darkness and light, and she lacks both parents.

But apart from such peculiar musings, I keep thinking that Shizune's mother is probably in Scotland during the story and was based there/lived there till she passed on.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Potato » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:55 pm

She started an affair with some jerky hardass and got stolen away. A heartbroken Jigoro immediately transformed himself into the very thing he hated in an act of supreme overcompensation.


Less serious option: Jigoro was once a very effeminate, doormat-ish type. An accident occurred during which this timid nature rendered him unable to save her, and she died as a result. With the aid of his former self (undercover as Shizune's 'brother' Hideaki), who time-traveled to help him avoid such tragedy repeating itself, he resolved to change himself into an aggressive badass who wouldn't wuss out when needed again. Shizune's mom in the current timeline is alive and well thanks to these efforts, just away on business. Hideaki's pleas to learn sign language from Hisao are yet another compensation upon realizing he's turned his other self into a complete monster.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Liminaut » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:09 am

We've got one real fact about Shizune's mom, and that is that she's completely absent from the story. That's very unusual; even Lilly's parents get passing mention. I just started thinking about what this means for Shizune's story and character.

Fair warning: I just now thought of this approach so I'm going to have to work things out. What I write may be a little messy.

For some period now, Shizune hasn't had a mother. We don't know for how long. However, the total absence of Shizune's mother from the story implies a complete absence of maternal guidance from Shizune's life. She hasn't had any real guiding influence in how to become an adult woman. This is starting to make sense from the VN. My impression was that when Hisao wanted to be her boyfriend, she had no idea how to handle the situation. That was a whole section of life that Shizune had no guidance in.

Shizune's sole parental influence was Jigoro. He is constantly challenging the people around him, often rather rudely. Shizune didn't have any counterbalance to his influence, and it shows.

Short version of the above: Where Shizune's mom is, is the wrong question to ask. The right question is what does the total absence of Shizune's mom from the story tell us about Shizune's story.

Hopefully ProfAllister will show up soon and make what I just wrote, like, coherent. :lol:

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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Potato » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:18 am

Liminaut wrote:The right question is what does the total absence of Shizune's mom from the story tell us about Shizune's story.
It tells us she spent her life with Jigoro as her sole primary influence. Question answered. Now what? :lol:
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by SpunkySix » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:41 am

Potato wrote:
Liminaut wrote:The right question is what does the total absence of Shizune's mom from the story tell us about Shizune's story.
It tells us she spent her life with Jigoro as her sole primary influence.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Atario » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:07 am

SpunkySix wrote:Poor thing.
Exactly. Once you realize that, rereading her route makes her come off not as a bitch but as a saint.

By the way, I just want to point out the amusing double-entendre of this thread's title.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Munchenhausen » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:59 am

Liminaut wrote:Shizune's sole parental influence was Jigoro. He is constantly challenging the people around him, often rather rudely. Shizune didn't have any counterbalance to his influence, and it shows.
That actually explains a lot.
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Numb » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:13 pm

I like to think that she's the breadmaker of the household, with Jigoro being the "housewife". I wrote her in my Christmas special a while ago as the fun parent, the one that actually knows sign language and can talk to Shizune, but she is a very busy travelling businesswoman. I'd say that's where Shizune gets her competitive streak, because Jigoro doesn't seem to be interested in little games or bets, he gave her the seriousness she has.

Not many fan fiction authors touch on Shizune's mother, and the few that do always have different ideas. I know Helbereth has referenced her in Tomorrow's Doom, and I've written something where she is actually present, but both of these instances are completely different. We even used different names. The only thing we really know about her is that, apparently, her name is Mayoi (while I'm here, Lilly's father is Hiroyuki, drop that in there to help spread the word) and she is the connection to the Satou family. Oh damn. Sudden idea.

What if Shizune's mother is Lilly's sick aunt? It'd make sense for her to be in Scotland if she's a businesswoman, as the family business is based there, and she is Lilly's aunt... Damn, if I wasn't busy with VN work, I'd write something about that :lol:
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by Guest Poster » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:15 pm

Then why on earth are Lilly and Akira summoned to Scotland and not Shizune?
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Re: Shizune's Mum

Post by brythain » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:17 pm

Numb wrote:What if Shizune's mother is Lilly's sick aunt? It'd make sense for her to be in Scotland if she's a businesswoman, as the family business is based there, and she is Lilly's aunt... Damn, if I wasn't busy with VN work, I'd write something about that :lol:
Strange how different people end up with the same idea… I had to develop some backstory for Hideaki and Shizune in my 'After the Dream' mosaic and this came up. I don't think I'm the first either—I've seen a couple of writers elsewhere who've done the same. Seems to tie up so many loose ends!
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