KS affects 'us' much. But, do you think it affects 'them'?

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KS affects 'us' much. But, do you think it affects 'them'?

I'm a male. I know a (few) female that cried like we did and have the same reaction like we have.
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I'm a male. I don't know about it but I think they will cry or have the same reaction like we have.
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I'm a male. I don't know about it but I think they will not cry nor have the same reaction like we have.
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I'm a male. I don't give a shit about it and I don't give a shit about females (a.k.a The Kenji Way).
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I'm a female. I cried while playing this game and certainly it affects me.
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I'm a female. I didn't cry while playing this game but it still affects me.
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I'm a female. I didn't cry while playing this game and it didn't leave me anything emotional.
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Post by Steinherz » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:20 pm

TheVUP wrote:
Potato wrote:Okay, it's a romance-oriented story with interactive/visual elements and sex scenes. :lol: Still seems like deliberately pointing out the cripple aspect would serve little purpose beyond enabling biased preconceived negativity.
You don't tell it, you will be scolded for not telling them the "truth".
You tell it, they will not play the game. And you will be scolded anyway.
EXACTLY MY POINT!
You gotta take a gamble when it comes to telling someone about Katawa Shoujo.
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Re: KS affects 'us' much. But, do you think it affects 'them

Post by pandaphil » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:28 pm

Steinherz wrote:
TheVUP wrote:
Potato wrote:Okay, it's a romance-oriented story with interactive/visual elements and sex scenes. :lol: Still seems like deliberately pointing out the cripple aspect would serve little purpose beyond enabling biased preconceived negativity.
You don't tell it, you will be scolded for not telling them the "truth".
You tell it, they will not play the game. And you will be scolded anyway.
EXACTLY MY POINT!
You gotta take a gamble when it comes to telling someone about Katawa Shoujo.
It's an anime style "choose your own path" love story about a boy who develops aheart condition who's sent to a school for disabled teens.

Save yourself a lot of agrivation and only tell friends who're open minded, or who are used to anime strangeness.
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Post by Potato » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:02 am

Steinherz wrote:
Potato wrote:Would you introduce Titanic as "a movie about a boat and this couple who fucks on it"?
Honestly, I'd introduce it as "that shitty James Cameron movie where Leonardo DiCaprio drowns for no good reason whatsoever." :lol:
Fair enough. :lol:

@VUP: Except I would be telling the truth, so they can't scold me for jack. :P

All things considered, I think the reaction of people unused to VNS and such would be more interesting than just females. Hand KS off to a Halo nut.
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Post by TheVUP » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:47 pm

Potato wrote:@VUP: Except I would be telling the truth, so they can't scold me for jack. :P

All things considered, I think the reaction of people unused to VNS and such would be more interesting than just females. Hand KS off to a Halo nut.
I think it will more, much more interesting if you introduced it to females who are unused to VNs.
How about that? :lol:
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Post by wazuzu » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:53 am

Potato wrote:Seems to me that dialing down the bizarre insistence on noting it has 'cripple girl sex scenes' would generally help anyone's reception of it. It's a romance-oriented story with interactive and visual elements. Just say that. :lol:
- It's a visual novel set in school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
- It's not.
- Not a single sex scene?
- Well, to be honest, there are sex scenes, but this is not the point of this game, they aren't emphasized much, and...
- Sex scenes with cripple girls, right?
- Yes.
- You're one of a sickest fucks I ever saw. Get the fuck out. I hope you won't reproduce.
Potato wrote:And what exactly qualifies as "typical" in this scenario?
...as in commonfolk? Go out of your basement sometimes, there are people in the streets.

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Post by Atario » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:01 am

wazuzu wrote:- It's a visual novel set in school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
- It's not.
- Not a single sex scene?
- Well, to be honest, there are sex scenes, but this is not the point of this game, they aren't emphasized much, and...
- Sex scenes with cripple girls, right?
- Yes.
- You're one of a sickest fucks I ever saw. Get the fuck out. I hope you won't reproduce.
See, you did that wrong. Gotta go on the offensive.

- It's a visual novel set in a school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
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[Narrows eyes] How would you know something like that?
- Whatever… Are there sex scenes?
- Don't be stupid; of course there are sex scenes. How are you going to have a love story without sex?
- Sex scenes with cripple girls, right?
- "Cripple girls"? ಠ_ಠ Not cool.
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Post by Firewind » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:12 am

Atario wrote: See, you did that wrong. Gotta go on the offensive.

- It's a visual novel set in a school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
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[Narrows eyes] How would you know something like that?
- Whatever… Are there sex scenes?
- Don't be stupid; of course there are sex scenes. How are you going to have a love story without sex?
- Sex scenes with cripple girls, right?
- "Cripple girls"? ಠ_ಠ Not cool.
Brilliant. :lol:
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Post by wazuzu » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:36 am

Atario wrote:See, you did that wrong. Gotta go on the offensive.

- It's a visual novel set in a school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
- [Narrows eyes] How would you know something like that?
- Whatever… Are there sex scenes?
- Don't be stupid; of course there are sex scenes. How are you going to have a love story without sex?
- Sex scenes with cripple girls, right?
- "Cripple girls"? ಠ_ಠ Not cool.
More like
- It's a visual novel set in a school for disabled people.
- Visual novel? Like that anime japanese interactive fiction? Isn't it porn?
- [Narrows eyes] How would you know something like that?
- [Frowns, -1 to dialogue] I'm not from Venus, you know, I've seen those, I just don't play drawn cartoon sex games.
- This is not a sex game, it's a romance game. Sex is just a part of romance, like in real life.
- So you admit there are sex scenes. Judging by place of action, you got to romance cripple girls I guess. Is this some sick fetish?
- No, it's just to show that they are the same as we are, they have same issues with everything, and...
- A game where you romance a disabled girl to have sex with her is beyond sick. Fuck you.


You know, a typical Katawa Shoujo fan won't get a chance to talk about it thoroughly with a girl, unless you know that girl would be definitely interested in this, in which case she probably knows about KS or even read it / ignored it by the time. And most girls that aren't into visual novels either don't have any idea about them (and probably won't get interested at the first glance), or are biased with the false assumption that all VNs are nukiges.

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Post by metalangel » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:25 pm

You guys just need to tell people it's the story about a guy who finds out he has a heart condition and has to go to a residential school so he can finish high school.

DON'T MENTION CRIPPLE GIRLS OR SEX WITH THEM. Let these people you've decided to share the game with go in knowing nothing and with any luck, they'll be sufficiently invested in Hisao and his sweatervest before them cripple girls show up all crippy n' shit. You know, so that can be the first of many amazing twists they'll get to experience as the story goes...

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Post by pandaphil » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:10 pm

metalangel wrote:You guys just need to tell people it's the story about a guy who finds out he has a heart condition and has to go to a residential school so he can finish high school.

DON'T MENTION CRIPPLE GIRLS OR SEX WITH THEM. Let these people you've decided to share the game with go in knowing nothing and with any luck, they'll be sufficiently invested in Hisao and his sweatervest before them cripple girls show up all crippy n' shit. You know, so that can be the first of many amazing twists they'll get to experience as the story goes...
This. I mean honestly, what modern love story doesn't have a sex scene in it? Its not even worth mentioning as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by forgetmenot » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:41 am

pandaphil wrote:
metalangel wrote:You guys just need to tell people it's the story about a guy who finds out he has a heart condition and has to go to a residential school so he can finish high school.

DON'T MENTION CRIPPLE GIRLS OR SEX WITH THEM. Let these people you've decided to share the game with go in knowing nothing and with any luck, they'll be sufficiently invested in Hisao and his sweatervest before them cripple girls show up all crippy n' shit. You know, so that can be the first of many amazing twists they'll get to experience as the story goes...
This. I mean honestly, what modern love story doesn't have a sex scene in it? Its not even worth mentioning as far as I'm concerned.
But then you get into the realm of possibilities wherein the following exchange takes place: "Soooo my friend recommended this anime game and I played it and there's like full-on sex scenes with crippled girls. Dude's into some weird shit. Let's never talk to him again."

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. Personally I think the best way to discover KS is on your own. Or recommended by a friend who knows you well enough that you won't be immediately put off by an anal scene with a loli-type legless girl in a track shed.

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Post by Potato » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:19 am

wazuzu wrote:there are people in the streets.
Those people should probably get houses then. Or at least laptops, so they can play KS.
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Post by wazuzu » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:47 am

Potato wrote:
wazuzu wrote:there are people in the streets.
Those people should probably get houses then. Or at least laptops, so they can play KS.
How do you play KS on a house? I can't force mine even to boot up.
forgetmenot wrote:But then you get into the realm of possibilities wherein the following exchange takes place: "Soooo my friend recommended this anime game and I played it and there's like full-on sex scenes with crippled girls. Dude's into some weird shit. Let's never talk to him again."

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. Personally I think the best way to discover KS is on your own. Or recommended by a friend who knows you well enough that you won't be immediately put off by an anal scene with a loli-type legless girl in a track shed.
Pretty much this. You can't get a girl to play KS unless she wants to. And she doesn't.
I know, it looks like I am speaking for all the girls out there, but you know, most "normal" people are full of prejudices about disabled people, and there is nothing we (as fans of KS) can do at the first place. And if most boys have easier time discussing such things with other boys, most (most as in 99.99%) girls don't. Just think of it, a girl should pass 3 barriers - cripple disgust, the way visual novel is organized (I am speaking of static images, appearing text and a constant need to click, because auto-reading sucks. That is a major turn-off for at least 60% of my friends), and ease of discussion - to read it. Or they can just download some drama starring Jared Leto or Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom or whatever, sit back and get the same feels (+ crotch wetness) out of it. They don't have a reason to do it at the first place- unless they are genuinely interested beforehand, in which case we can only make it worse.

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Post by Atario » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:34 am

forgetmenot wrote:But then you get into the realm of possibilities wherein the following exchange takes place: "Soooo my friend recommended this anime game and I played it and there's like full-on sex scenes with crippled girls. Dude's into some weird shit. Let's never talk to him again."
You're cheating, though. You didn't say how this person got to that state. I would propose that this is impossible, like a Rubik's cube with two sides having the same center-square color.

How did they discover the sex scenes? By playing the game. You're saying they played that far into the game and didn't get sucked in to the story and the feels and appreciating the disabled as just regular people like anyone else? Feh. Impossiburu, sez I.
wazuzu wrote:You can't get a girl to play KS unless she wants to. And she doesn't.
Let me throw a phrase at you and let it sink in: romance novels with pictures and music.
most "normal" people are full of prejudices about disabled people, and there is nothing we (as fans of KS) can do at the first place.
Defeatism.
And if most boys have easier time discussing such things with other boys, most (most as in 99.99%) girls don't.
I don't know where you're getting this preposterous idea. Women talk to each other about anything and everything. They're kind of notorious for it.
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Post by wazuzu » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:05 am

Atario wrote:Let me throw a phrase at you and let it sink in: romance novels with pictures and music.
Oh! Exactly! And this is why I always see my female friends around reading some romance novels with pictures and music!
FYI, women prefer pocket book or electronic book reading, just because they can do it anywhere. Visual novels (especially Katawa Shoujo) can't be played this way, unless you speak of VNDS and VNDS-level of nerdism (knowing about it, having a device that supports it, having some actual novels around, you get the idea).
Atario wrote:Defeatism.
A statement of fact. It's genetically imprinted in our conscience. Broken ones are exiles in most societies.
Atario wrote:I don't know where you're getting this preposterous idea. Women talk to each other about anything and everything. They're kind of notorious for it.
I was talking about a boy talking to a girl about a romance novel with cripples and sex scenes.

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