When i talk about shitposting i refer to any sort of post that doesn't advance the conversation in any way nor does present any interesting or useful content to the thread or forum, generally with self-referential content. As far as i'm aware this is roughly the general definition given to the term. The goalpost shifting of the "subjective" is pretty amusing because in my experience it's generally used as a slightly more elegant version of "Yeah, well, that's like, your opinion dude" and if you think that's in any way useful...
I think doing any kind of analysis for any reason other than love of the subject, reguardless of how it will be reacted to, is not a good one.
I'll admit, however, i'm not very sure of what you mean here. I think you mean that any analysis without an overt adoration of the subject is inherently bad (whether you mean this would make for bad/flawed analysis or unpleasant one is honestly beyond me), and if it's the case i would honestly disagree... Analysis is more intellectual exercise than anything else and passion for the subject is, while certainly a great and important thing to have, not in any way inherently necessary for a good analysis. And if this just your opinion you shouldn't be posting it here... Don't pussyfoot around it, man.
Regarding my alleged hypocrisy, it is pretty valid under more than a few points of view and i would have likely agreed a year or so in the past. Now, i could post this
article (i already did) but i think i've been a bit too lazy, so i'll try to summarize my argument on why there is not a contradiction in there: Self-centered gushing about superficial aspects (so called "feels") of the VN are nothing more than trash produced for the sake of emotional (self) pleasure, and as thus have nothing of value within them. The gall to think this is something that people would want to see, and that the forum deserves to have such waste of text hosted within earns my absolute contempt and i find it pretty much insulting. It is important to note that such a hateful reaction towards what i find as shitposting or selfish behavior is due to relatively recent outlooks on life and distaste for the kind of person i used to be as well as having a specific idea on what a discussion forum should be... The fact that the spammers were told there was a forum specifically created so that they could talk to their heart's content (and then refused to use it) reduced any dubious sympathy they had in my eyes to nothing.
As for the "so-called selfish people [that] are trying something" don't take this the wrong way, but... Who cares? It's just shitposting. In the first page of the discussion section alone i can see only around 5 topics (not counting stickies) that are strongly related to KS and would actually be missed if the entire first page were to be nuked. I think that says a lot about the "effort" the so-called selfish people put. In the end it's not even so much that they don't care but that they simply are not interested in matters that, to me, are nothing more than petty bullshit.
Just maybe, perhaps, there would be less "spam and noise" if you actually came out with some of that fabled decent conversation you so crave. Anyone can avoid actually addressing their own complaints by using some weak excuse but it ultimately just sounds like a guy who has no actual ideas on how to fill the lack of conversation, but still wants to complain about it.
This is, however, a good point and i don't have any real excuse for it. As you basically say it's easy to complain and ought to start the change i want around here or anywhere. Truth is, i simply don't care much anymore. My days of passion for KS are long gone and i have long since given up on this forum being anything more than a glorified chatroom. I'm trying to put my all into art/illustration and as a consequence don't have as much time and energy for secondary interests as i used to have (not that that's a bad thing at all
) so if i'm going to spend some time in a longpost it's no surprise i'm going to do it in the place that has a lesser chance of getting spammed "possibly maybe at some point in time perhaps". Combine to that the fact that this discussion has happened many times in the past and most if not all of the spammers seem to have the intention or desire or even change a little (i think some of them basically told me to go fuck myself in PMs) and you can see why i'm not exactly enthusiastic to try and make the foundation for a possible change in here that is *very* unlikely to take fruit.
This is shit, i have 1000+ pages of reading and exercises to do instead of debating forum politics on internet. I guess i really am a masochist.