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Re: ASL

Post by BlackWaltzTheThird » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:52 am

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Re: ASL

Post by Carighan » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:15 am

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And yes, I reckon the idea that deaf mind people learning sign language comes from people barging in because "sign language lulz". In the end it's another language.
It's fascinating due to it's unique characteristics (which are also the trickiest part of picking it up, so far), but it's still a language. It's annoying and disrupting when people throw around random words of a spoken language because they're the l33+ d00ds and want to seem cool, too.

For me personally, the motivation for languages has always been my general thirst for knowledge. ASL specifically I did pick up after playing KS gave me the mental shove necessary to get off my lazy butt.
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Re: ASL

Post by Xanatos » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:26 am

Zailen wrote:Haha You'll get it Xan.
Well, I dunno if it's even possible. :lol: Far as I know, quite a bit of it does take two hands.
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Re: ASL

Post by Zailen » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:58 am

Indeed, but I'm not gonna tell you you -cant- either. Haha. at the very least, give it a shot!

And indeed. My wanting to learn has nothing to do with the lulz. I like to...Know how to do things. This shall be one of them. *nods*

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Re: ASL

Post by metalangel » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:03 am

Xanatos wrote: Well, I dunno if it's even possible. :lol: Far as I know, quite a bit of it does take two hands.
At the risk of sounding perverse, your dominant hand does most of the work. The non-dominant has a role but not nearly as complex. I have read of people with mobility problems in one of the arms still being able to use ASL, providing the receptive party knows not everything will be textbook signs.

You can do some two-handed stuff one handed (the other hand holding a drink or food) and be understood.

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Re: ASL

Post by MutilatedManequin » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:50 pm

I definitely want to learn ASL, partly because KS, partly because Spainish failed horribly (sry coach :P) and I may reconsider my career in culinary to become an interpreter. I think it will be easier than Japanese because eventually it will become muscle-memory

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Re: ASL

Post by Zailen » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:55 pm

Hey if you want to do it, do it! And yeah. In High School, I was REQUIRED to take Japanese. I lasted a quarter before I was booted the heeeeeck out of there! haha.

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Re: ASL

Post by Sk3tch » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:19 pm

Quick question, just wanted a bit of clarification to make sure I'm not wrong.

ASL is English in Sign Language correct? No need to learn new grammar rules or anything, just a new vocabulary, yes?
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Re: ASL

Post by Xanatos » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:22 pm

Sk3tch wrote:Quick question, just wanted a bit of clarification to make sure I'm not wrong.

ASL is English in Sign Language correct? No need to learn new grammar rules or anything, just a new vocabulary, yes?
American Sign Language so yes, basically.
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Re: ASL

Post by metalangel » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:02 pm

Xanatos wrote:
Sk3tch wrote:Quick question, just wanted a bit of clarification to make sure I'm not wrong.

ASL is English in Sign Language correct? No need to learn new grammar rules or anything, just a new vocabulary, yes?
American Sign Language so yes, basically.
No. Completely wrong.

If you want sign language "in English", you want to learn Signed Exact English (SEE), or to a lesser extent Pidgin Signed English (PSE).

ASL has completely different grammar and syntax from spoken and written English. All the superfluous crap from English (stuff including but not limited to 'and' and 'is') is stripped away because you don't really need it to understand the other person's intent or meaning. There are signs for when they're really really needed but they are very seldom used.

The general syntax for an ASL sentence is TIME TOPIC ACTION, for example YESTERDAY COLLEGE GO-ME. Adjectives and adverbs are a combination of a descriptive sign and accompanying facial expression. Grammar is also often shown on the face, and when you use your facial grammar (otherwise known as a non-manual sign) can completely change the meaning of your statement.

SEE is used primarily to teach Deaf children to read and write English, ASL is far more efficient for everyday conversation.

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Re: ASL

Post by Xanatos » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:05 am

metalangel wrote:
Xanatos wrote:
Sk3tch wrote:Quick question, just wanted a bit of clarification to make sure I'm not wrong.

ASL is English in Sign Language correct? No need to learn new grammar rules or anything, just a new vocabulary, yes?
American Sign Language so yes, basically.
No. Completely wrong.

If you want sign language "in English", you want to learn Signed Exact English (SEE), or to a lesser extent Pidgin Signed English (PSE).

ASL has completely different grammar and syntax from spoken and written English. All the superfluous crap from English (stuff including but not limited to 'and' and 'is') is stripped away because you don't really need it to understand the other person's intent or meaning. There are signs for when they're really really needed but they are very seldom used.

The general syntax for an ASL sentence is TIME TOPIC ACTION, for example YESTERDAY COLLEGE GO-ME. Adjectives and adverbs are a combination of a descriptive sign and accompanying facial expression. Grammar is also often shown on the face, and when you use your facial grammar (otherwise known as a non-manual sign) can completely change the meaning of your statement.

SEE is used primarily to teach Deaf children to read and write English, ASL is far more efficient for everyday conversation.

Well then, they named it wrong. So in ASL, it would be impossible to tell somebody a panda is black and white? That sucks. I like pandas. What's their problem with "and"? :lol:
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Re: ASL

Post by YZQ » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:04 am

Sounds like Abathur from Hand of the Swarm. His speech patterns are short like ASL.
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Re: ASL

Post by Carighan » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:20 am

Xanatos wrote:Well then, they named it wrong. So in ASL, it would be impossible to tell somebody a panda is black and white? That sucks. I like pandas. What's their problem with "and"? :lol:
Now this makes me curious whether I'm understanding ASL right so far:
Can anyone who's on here who's is fluent tell me whether PANDA FUR BLACK WHITE PATTERN would be a correct way to sign this? I guess the FUR is actually superfluous, since you'd probably guess that I wasn't talking about the panda's teeth.

I know there is a sign for AND, and it's very very rarely used. This would probably not be one of those cases? Even though PANDA FUR BLACK AND WHITE would ofc be a viable way to sign it, it's too contact signing?
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Re: ASL

Post by Kutagh » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:54 am

In Dutch sign language we would use a summation:
PANDA COLOR TWO: BLACK, WHITE
Or something similar to that.

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Re: ASL

Post by metalangel » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:11 am

Carighan wrote: Now this makes me curious whether I'm understanding ASL right so far:
Can anyone who's on here who's is fluent tell me whether PANDA FUR BLACK WHITE PATTERN would be a correct way to sign this? I guess the FUR is actually superfluous, since you'd probably guess that I wasn't talking about the panda's teeth.

I know there is a sign for AND, and it's very very rarely used. This would probably not be one of those cases? Even though PANDA FUR BLACK AND WHITE would ofc be a viable way to sign it, it's too contact signing?
If I was describing a panda, I'd probably show where the white and where the black fur was. It would be something along the lines of PANDA FUR COLOUR WHITE (indicates face and upper body) BLACK (indicates ears, around eyes, around legs).

AND is redundant in that situation. I've pretty much only ever used it in the "so what?" context in response to someone else, and that's in an very informal jokey way.

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