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Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:25 am
by Xanatos
pandaphil wrote:Her uncaring attitude is just her way of protecting herself. I like to think once she finally learns that opening up and trusting Hisao isn't going to end her world a lot of her bitch attitude will fade.
Yes, her way of protecting herself from loss...By, in a completely hypocritical and stupid manner, inflicting loss on both herself and Hisao.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:28 am
by hitman555z
Xanatos wrote:
pandaphil wrote:Her uncaring attitude is just her way of protecting herself. I like to think once she finally learns that opening up and trusting Hisao isn't going to end her world a lot of her bitch attitude will fade.
Yes, her way of protecting herself from loss...By, in a completely hypocritical and stupid manner, inflicting loss on both herself and Hisao.
people actually do this, which i find them to be stupid and selfish. but in emi's case, i just cant have that same hate towards her. i have a soft spot for her lol, even if she seemed like shes been around by the way she just brushes hisao off like nothing was important between them.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:23 am
by pandaphil
Agreed. People can be unfeeling and selfish when they feel threatened.

In a lot of ways, Emi is just as hurt and broken as Hanako, except her problem is self inflicted. She's a good person who forces herself not to care about anyone so as never to be hurt or feel loss again.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:37 am
by Hisao&Hanako<3
Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. I always went with that. I took the risks, regardless of the consequences. And I am a much stronger, more empathetic person for it.

In more worldly human terms, "Balls to the wall."

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:41 am
by Xanatos
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.
With all due respect, that saying is drivel.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:47 am
by Hisao&Hanako<3
Well, it makes perfect sense. Can't think of a more flashy way to say it. Cause when you love someone, you learn something. Living with the regret of not making an action is a much worse fate.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:51 am
by Xanatos
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Well, it makes perfect sense. Can't think of a more flashy way to say it. Cause when you love someone, you learn something. Living with the regret of not making an action is a much worse fate.
Scenario A: Love someone, lose someone, live with pain and regret.

Scenario B: Never love, never lose. No regret to be had. "Regret of not making an action" only comes into play if you loved but never acted on it. Entirely different thing.

Then again, I may harbor residual bitterness over such recent losses and general hopelessness.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:53 am
by Hisao&Hanako<3
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. No excitement, and no sadness. Sounds kind of bleak and boring, doesn't it? In general, humans hope and push for much more. In time you will heal from your wounds and learn and become a stronger person than before.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:56 am
by Xanatos
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Nothing ventured, nothing gained. No excitement, and no sadness. Sounds kind of bleak and boring, doesn't it? In general, humans hope and push for much more. In time you will heal from your wounds and learn and become a stronger person than before.

No excitement, no sadness...Now you're just making things up. I didn't love anyone when I was six, never stopped me being excited (I won a Toucan Sam plush that year) or sad (I got stoned, strangled, and thrown into a few trash cans that year too). :P And I've got a good couple decades (approximately) of wounds to heal from. That's just the most recent. :lol:

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:00 am
by Hisao&Hanako<3
Oh, well I presumed your "recent loss" referred to a person you were attached to, my bad.

And unfortunately, I can't level with you on the whole 6 year old thing either. I've been falling for girls since I was 5 years old, for one reason or another. I started young. :) But I learned a lot too.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:05 am
by Xanatos
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Oh, well I presumed your "recent loss" referred to a person you were attached to, my bad.

And unfortunately, I can't level with you on the whole 6 year old thing either. I've been falling for girls since I was 5 years old, for one reason or another. I started young. :) But I learned a lot too.
It did. :P

I think my fifth year was my last really good year...That was the year I met Julian and Danny. And...Carla? Carley? I don't remember the name. The face never goes away though. And the year I discovered ice cream cake. And fell asleep in said cake. And got a Lite-Brite from a police station Santa. Five was a good year...Minus the doctors. And the wheelchair. :lol:

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:28 pm
by hitman555z
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. I always went with that. I took the risks, regardless of the consequences. And I am a much stronger, more empathetic person for it.

In more worldly human terms, "Balls to the wall."
i totally agree with you.
Xanatos wrote:
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Well, it makes perfect sense. Can't think of a more flashy way to say it. Cause when you love someone, you learn something. Living with the regret of not making an action is a much worse fate.
Scenario A: Love someone, lose someone, live with pain and regret.

Scenario B: Never love, never lose. No regret to be had. "Regret of not making an action" only comes into play if you loved but never acted on it. Entirely different thing.

Then again, I may harbor residual bitterness over such recent losses and general hopelessness.
in scenario A, you live with pain and regret... but you learn what that is like and you will be stronger. thats what life is about. you learn through pain. it sucks, but thats what life is like.
scenario B, you live with a regret of not taking initiative. you live with the idea of "what if" and it can be torturous. hell, to this day, i regret not telling a girl in high school i liked her. i still remember her to this day and its been over 5 years. still remember her smile and all. and it really fucking sucks.

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:16 am
by Xanatos
hitman555z wrote:scenario B, you live with a regret of not taking initiative. you live with the idea of "what if"...
If you never loved, as in such a scenario, there was never any need for initiative. What sort of person regrets something that is completely irrelevant to their life? The scenario put forth here isn't "You were into some chick but never did anything about it", it's "You weren't into anybody." :P

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:00 am
by dewelar
Xanatos wrote:
hitman555z wrote:scenario B, you live with a regret of not taking initiative. you live with the idea of "what if"...
If you never loved, as in such a scenario, there was never any need for initiative. What sort of person regrets something that is completely irrelevant to their life? The scenario put forth here isn't "You were into some chick but never did anything about it", it's "You weren't into anybody." :P
When you consider that the quote itself was not written about romantic love, but about the love of a friend, it becomes a bit more complicated. :)

Re: What hurts the most?

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:31 pm
by pandaphil
Hisao&Hanako<3 wrote:Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. I always went with that. I took the risks, regardless of the consequences. And I am a much stronger, more empathetic person for it.

Still my favorite reply to that line.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwHdW5BIVo8