Jung-Myers-Briggs psychological types for KS

[Palas]

Has anyone here ever wondered what the results would be if any of the girls did that 4-letter-acronym personality test?

According to it, there are 4 types of temperaments: Protector, Creator, Intellectual and Visionarie, each of them having 4 subtypes: Overseer, Supporter, Examiner and Defender for the first; Persuader, Entertainer, Craftsman and Artist for the second; Chief, Originator, Strategist and Engineer for the third; and Mentor, Advocate, Confidant and Dreamer for the last.

Each of these psychological types are identified by 4 letters that describe their behaviour: either you are E (extraverted) or I (introverted); S (sensitive) or N (intuitive); T (thinker) or F (feeler); and J (of judging nature) or P (of perceiving nature). So~! let's get these acronyms done for each of the girls - or any character, actually. It's just that we have the most information about the 6 of them.

Wild guesses next.

Misha: ENFP, the Advocate. Eh, I guess that's interesting. I thought of her as an Entertainer (ESFP) but the Intuitive trait fits her best, I guess.
Rin: ISFP, the Artist. It... figures?
Emi: ESFJ, the Supporter. Oh well. Doesn't really looks like her, does it?
Shizune: ENTJ, the Chief. Don't tell me.
Hanako: INFP, the Dreamer. Kinda fits, to me.
Lilly: ISTJ, the Crafts(wo)man. Don't know how this happened. The STJ part is because of all the "TELL HER THE TRUTH" stuff, but she's not really extraverted, is she?

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Please prove me wrong. And do talk about how outdated these teories about 16 psychological types are outdated. I've seen psychologists around on the forums, they'll be outraged when they see this.

[newnar]

I am a former INTP turned INTJ.

[DrSkulk]

Applying an archetype to a person is easy if you know their personality well enough. You don't need fancy names like the Overseer or the Artist to do so. You just need to know the four parameters very well.

I'm sure this model is not a perfect human personality model, but I've found in the past - and certainly now also - that this model fits astoundingly well. (F.Y.I. When I first took the test I was an INTP, and then I became an INFP, and now I think I am ISTP.)

Anyways, I will now attempt to properly label the 6 heroines of this game. Criticisms are welcome; after all, I'm not into psychology in any way, I just happen to know this model pretty darn well.


1. Emi (ESTJ)
E or I - E (So totally an extravert, no objections there I'm sure.)
S or N - S (She's more focused on short-term goals rather than long-term ones.)
T or F - T (She is not afraid to say what is on her mind, even if it will break someone's heart. ...Ring a bell? )
J or P - J (She leads a very organised life, and keeps to her rules; for example, steadfastly keeping the rule that she would not let anyone get very close to her again)

2. Hanako (ISFP...?)
E or I - I (Need I say more? )
S or N - S (I can't wholly put my finger on this one. I'd say she's more of an S based on how she has no real plans for the future and just gets on with her everyday life, but who knows what really goes on inside her head.)
T or F - F (She takes utmost care to not disturb others' feelings.)
J or P - P (Damn, I guess I don't know Hanako that well She doesn't come across as a J sort of person for me though so I'm going to say P.)

3. Lilly (INFJ)
E or I - I (I wouldn't say being popular means you're an extravert. Her favourite activities suggest that while she does not mind company, she'd rather spend time with those few she holds dear.)
S or N - N (It seems like she has a sixth sense on things. Her intuition definitely serves well in helping Hisao get a good ending in Hanako route. She also has a good grasp on her future prospects.)
T or F - F (Major spoiler! Caution is advised. She decides to move to Scotland because her family wants her to, despite logic suggesting that she'd probably have a better life if she stayed behind in Japan. Furthermore, she decides to stay with Hisao after he tells her that he would like her to, holding others' concerns over her own once more.)
J or P - J (I don't know if this is entirely a valid reason but she seems to follow a somewhat routine life.)

4. Misha (ESFP)
E or I - E (Epitome of E might I say. )
S or N - S (She's definitely more focused on recent going-ons than future prospects.)
T or F - F (She definitely has tact. She refrains from translating what Shizune says sometimes in order to keep the peace.)
J or P - P (If you don't mind my humble analysis, I'd say her spontaneity is masked by her hanging out with Shizune and going with whatever she thinks best at most times. Misha asking Hisao to "comfort" her is one example of her apparent spontaneity. I doubt she planned to ask it when she came to visit.)

5. Rin (INTP)
E or I - I (She's not exactly a social butterfly )
S or N - N (Head in the clouds...)
T or F - T (She does not hesitate to say what's on her mind. Seemingly no consideration given for others' feelings.)
J or P - P (Just going with the flow...)

6. Shizune (ISTJ)
E or I - I (I think Misha's spokeswomanship makes Shizune look like an E. She's definitely an I in my opinion though.)
S or N - S (Very focused on recent going-ons. No nonsense, must have things done the established way.)
T or F - T (I know she has an F side inside her, but for most of the time, she's a T.)
J or P - J (Rules, rules, rules! Not saying she is incapable of bending them, but she does follow them pretty zealously. She's also really scary with deadlines.)


Summary
Emi - ESTJ
Hanako - ISFP, but could very well be INFP instead
Lilly - INFJ
Misha - ESFP
Rin - INTP
Shizune - ISTJ


Comments are welcome!

* A word of warning - the analysis above is subject to change. I must have edited it like 20 times already o_o

[alien.marksman]

Applying an archetype to a person is easy if you know their personality well enough. You don't need fancy names like the Overseer or the Artist to do so. You just need to know the four parameters very well.

I'm sure this model is not a perfect human personality model, but I've found in the past - and certainly now also - that this model fits astoundingly well. (F.Y.I. When I first took the test I was an INTP, and then I became an INFP, and now I think I am ISTP.)

Anyways, I will now attempt to properly label the 6 heroines of this game. Criticisms are welcome; after all, I'm not into psychology in any way, I just happen to know this model pretty darn well.

5. Rin (INTP)
E or I - I (She's not exactly a social butterfly )
S or N - N (Head in the clouds...)
T or F - T (Very analytical. The occasional bouts of compassion is aided by an external influence. Cold pills anyone?)
J or P - P (Just going with the flow...)

Spot on for all the characters as far as I can tell.. except.
I can't see Rin as INTP.
Personally, I'd be inclined to say INFP.

INFP's:(Link)
Quiet and reserved. Generally prefer interacting with a few close friends rather than a wide circle of acquaintances, and they expend energy in social situations.
More abstract than concrete. Focus their attention on the big picture rather than the details, and on future possibilities rather than immediate realities.
Value personal considerations above objective criteria. When making decisions, they often give more weight to social implications than to logic.I doubt anyone would ever accuse Rin of being Logical.
Withhold judgment and delay important decisions, preferring to "keep their options open" should circumstances change.

Anyone with a psychology background care to wade into the discussion and give us a more solid answer?

[DrSkulk]

This is the important bit (the part that relates to the T-F parameter):

Value personal considerations above objective criteria. When making decisions, they often give more weight to social implications than to logic.I doubt anyone would ever accuse Rin of being Logical.

It's not that Rin isn't logical. She is very logical, it's just that she has her own sense of logic. I don't think she would be too bothered to say what's on her mind, even if that meant it would hurt the person. (Happens a lot to Hisao in Rin route eh? )

[alien.marksman]

I can't deny that Rin says what she has on her mind. Regardless of how it may be received by the people around her.
There can be no doubt that Rin is IN*P but defining T or F that's a stumbling block for me.
Maybe I need to play through Rin's route a couple more times.

[DrSkulk]

After a ridiculously heated discussion with a friend of mine over whether Rin is a T or an F, I think it may help people if I simplify the four scales down to a few sentences each.

E-I scale

• How do you react to a situation?
• Do you take some sort of an action right away?
• Or would you rather have a think about it first?

S-N scale

• What sort of information to gather?
• Do you go for what is immediate with your five senses?
• Or do you seek the meaning that is hidden between the lines?

T-F scale

• What sort of decision to make?
• Do you focus on the facts?
• Or do you focus on the people involved?

J-P scale

• How do you live out your life?
• Do you plan it out meticulously?
• Or do you take it as it comes?

Grossly simplified yes, but based on this, I'd say she's a T. Looking back at my original post, it seems that I've screwed up the T-F scale pretty bad. I think I'll go fix it up now.

EDIT: I think it's very important that you do not confuse "feeling" with spontaneity. "Feeling" in this context means that you would consider others' feelings over the cold hard truth when making a decision, not that you would make decisions on a whim. This is associated with the Perceiving trait of the J-P scale.

[Palas]

Excuse me, kind sirs, but I beg to differ on Rin's matter. But nor the T or F issue.

I see her as an S (no pun pls) rather than an N. That's mostly because how she acts to get inspiration and what she even gets inspiration for. When she needed it, she didn't go for "oh the small beautiful things in life" or what's behind the scenes in the play of life. No. Her intentions involved destroying oneself and feeling on her skin anything that would make her paint better stuff. Also, even though she is the only one to see the meaning behind her paintings, she makes them basically to feel alive through facing her own expressions in the concrete world.

Further, I can't see her as either INTP or an INFP because the former is all about sctructuring realities (and Rin's thinking patterns are nothing if not highly non-structural)and the latter is all about whining at how cruel the world is. She's nothing like that either.

[DrSkulk]

When she needed it, she didn't go for "oh the small beautiful things in life" or what's behind the scenes in the play of life.

I think you misunderstood what is meant by "behind the scenes". Here's an example. Let's say an S person and an N person sees a box. The S person would be thinking "Hmm, it is a cardboard box, roughly cube shaped with a few small holes on the top. The holes seem like they were cut there for a reason, seemingly to maybe let a small animal inside to breathe; although judging by there being no movement or sound coming from within the box, there probably isn't such an animal." (Gathering information and organising them based on their five senses alone.) The N person might then say "But what if the animal has fainted? Or maybe it thinks it's night because it's so dark inside and is merely sleeping. Oh, oh, what if there's actually a portal to another dimension in that box? Or maybe the box isn't really there, it's merely an optical illusion." (Focuses on possibilities, rather than what is more likely given the initial appearances.)

Let's apply this to an actual situation in Katawa Shoujo. A normal person (more specifically, a person who is an S) would look at the sky to check the weather most likely. If there are clouds up there, they might think that it would rain soon, or something along those lines. Rin however, is so fascinated by what the clouds actually look like (or what she thinks they look like, i.e. going beyond the initial impressions), that she is willing to bust into another person's room to continue observing the cloud after it disappears from her own window. And yes, hilarity ensues.

Further, I can't see her as either INTP or an INFP because the former is all about sctructuring realities (and Rin's thinking patterns are nothing if not highly non-structural)and the latter is all about whining at how cruel the world is. She's nothing like that either.

I'd say that's a bit of an unfair generalisation on both archetypes. I was an INFP once and I definitely wasn't some whiny bastard blaming the world for everything bad that happened to me. Know this: these generalisations are merely there to suggest what people with these types typically are like. They aren't 100% accurate. What is more accurate is determining their types from their personality traits alone, like I've done with my analysis in my original post. I didn't use the generalisations to get them, but rather I used facets of each of the girls' personality to determine the four parameters. (You'll see how I did it if you read it in detail.)

[Brasse]

Shizune is doubtlessly an ENTJ to me, which is a shame, since this KS-unrelated pic would fit perfectly with her if she is an INTJ

[Palas]

I think you misunderstood what is meant by "behind the scenes". Here's an example. Let's say an S person and an N person sees a box. The S person would be thinking "Hmm, it is a cardboard box, roughly cube shaped with a few small holes on the top. The holes seem like they were cut there for a reason, seemingly to maybe let a small animal inside to breathe; although judging by there being no movement or sound coming from within the box, there probably isn't such an animal." (Gathering information and organising them based on their five senses alone.) The N person might then say "But what if the animal has fainted? Or maybe it thinks it's night because it's so dark inside and is merely sleeping. Oh, oh, what if there's actually a portal to another dimension in that box? Or maybe the box isn't really there, it's merely an optical illusion." (Focuses on possibilities, rather than what is more likely given the initial appearances.)

Let's apply this to an actual situation in Katawa Shoujo. A normal person (more specifically, a person who is an S) would look at the sky to check the weather most likely. If there are clouds up there, they might think that it would rain soon, or something along those lines. Rin however, is so fascinated by what the clouds actually look like (or what she thinks they look like, i.e. going beyond the initial impressions), that she is willing to bust into another person's room to continue observing the cloud after it disappears from her own window. And yes, hilarity ensues.

Hmm, I see. My wrong.

I'd say that's a bit of an unfair generalisation on both archetypes. I was an INFP once and I definitely wasn't some whiny bastard blaming the world for everything bad that happened to me. Know this: these generalisations are merely there to suggest what people with these types typically are like. They aren't 100% accurate. What is more accurate is determining their types from their personality traits alone, like I've done with my analysis in my original post. I didn't use the generalisations to get them, but rather I used facets of each of the girls' personality to determine the four parameters. (You'll see how I did it if you read it in detail.)

Of course they aren't 100% accurate. They're archetypes after all. The problem is that it's more plausible to go from generic to specific - otherwise we'll be here saying "Rin is Rin" forever. I mean, nobody really fits into these archetypes perfectly and will, sometime or another, relate to other temperaments. Human nature is more complex than that.

No one really is a whiny bastard blaming the world for the bad stuff in life, but as far as I can tell people will kind of hide behind their most comfortable archetypical persona at the moment and may or may not, therefore, whine. I don't even know if what I'm saying makes sense. Probably not. But what i'm saying is that it feels wrong to say Rin is INFP or INTP when both the ideal INFP and INFP would act nothing like her.

[DrSkulk]

Shizune is doubtlessly an ENTJ to me, which is a shame, since this KS-unrelated pic would fit perfectly with her if she is an INTJ

Hahaha that's a good one! If only the troops were actually on Australia in the pic though... Oh well, Indonesia, close enough

Of course they aren't 100% accurate. They're archetypes after all. The problem is that it's more plausible to go from generic to specific - otherwise we'll be here saying "Rin is Rin" forever. I mean, nobody really fits into these archetypes perfectly and will, sometime or another, relate to other temperaments. Human nature is more complex than that.

That is true yes, no one ever perfectly fits into a type; but I still disagree with you on the "generic to specific" method. Like I said before, the "generic" is just a casual observation of what they are typically like. If you start from the "specific" like me, you'll have her type pretty darn accurate. This is what she is. If she doesn't fit the description of that type, well I guess she's just not like a typical person of that type.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the whole "generic to specific" method. It makes sense to do things that way usually. However in this case, I must recommend that you do it the other way round. Specific is more reliable than generic in this case.

Also I should point out that the only reason we can discuss about this is because they are fictional. In real life, no one can tell you what type you belong to. You can only answer that for yourself. So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is, despite the girls being fictional characters, the final say still resides with them.

What i'm saying is that it feels wrong to say Rin is INFP or INTP when both the ideal INFP and INFP would act nothing like her.

I'm going to skip over the INFP part, as I've already had a giant argument with my friend last night that Rin isn't an F.

Let's have a look at the INTP personality shall we? I'll use what the wikipedia has to say on that. *link to wiki*


*CAUTION* Spoilers abound!
INTPs are quiet, thoughtful, analytical individuals who tend to spend long periods of time on their own, working through problems and forming solutions. This is pretty accurate - she often spaces out and thinks about things. They aren't necessarily problems, but that's ok.

They are curious about systems and how things work. Also true.

Consequently, they are frequently found in careers such as science, philosophy, law, and architecture. I know this seems to veer off from what we know of Rin, but let's face it, she's not painting because that's what she likes to do - it's an attempt to communicate with others, much like how normal people would talk to others to achieve the same.

INTPs tend to be less at ease in social situations or in the "caring professions", although they enjoy the company of those who share their interests. True, she feels ill-equipped to deal with such "social situations". She also likes to hang out with Hisao, who shares her interests somewhat. (Or doesn't mind him at least, I should say)

They prize autonomy in themselves and others. Oh so true. Rin: "Maybe you should forget about it and I will too. I'm really good at forgetting things so it should be all right with me." -> Basically saying "My autonomy's preserved, you can do whatever to do the same."

They generally balk at attempts by others to convince them to change. She's uneasy to go through with a change in her environment.

They also tend to be impatient with the bureaucracy, rigid hierarchies, and the politics prevalent in many professions. I don't have much to say on this one, but something tells me we already know this is true.

INTPs have little regard for titles and badges, which they often consider to be unjustified. She certainly doesn't care about the prestige and the opportunity that comes from doing the exhibition.

INTPs usually come to distrust authority as hindering the uptake of novel ideas and the search for knowledge. I can only think of Nomiya in this case with regards to the said "authority". While she doesn't exactly distrust him, she doesn't share his sentiments.

INTPs accept ideas based on merit, rather than tradition or authority. Her ideas are certainly out there and non-conforming to the norm.

They have little patience for social customs that seem illogical or that serve as obstacles for pursuing ideas and knowledge. Yup, true.

This may place them at odds with people who have an SJ preference, since SJs tend to defer to authority, tradition, and what the rest of the group is doing. Based on my analysis, Emi is one of two people who fit this description. You might think it's a bit odd, but think about how despite the two of them being friends, they don't really understand each other. Emi is also angry at Rin for ditching the exhibition, going against *what the rest of the group/people would have done* in her shoes.

INTPs prefer to work informally with others as equals. I think this fits too.
Spoilers end here.


Hopefully that's enough of an example to show that Rin fits INTP pretty ok. I would do the whole section on INTP personality, but that would look really messy and needlessly lengthy here.

[AnotherKatawaShoujo]

3. Lilly (INFJ)
E or I - I (I wouldn't say being popular means you're an extravert. Her favourite activities suggest that while she does not mind company, she'd rather spend time with those few she holds dear.)
S or N - N (It seems like she has a sixth sense on things. Her intuition definitely serves well in helping Hisao get a good ending in Hanako route. She also has a good grasp on her future prospects.)
T or F - F (Major spoiler! Caution is advised. She decides to move to Scotland because her family wants her to, despite logic suggesting that she'd probably have a better life if she stayed behind in Japan. Furthermore, she decides to stay with Hisao after he tells her that he would like her to, holding others' concerns over her own once more.)
J or P - J (I don't know if this is entirely a valid reason but she seems to follow a somewhat routine life.)

I haven't put much thought into the others, but I agree with your characterization of Lilly. She is definitely either an INFJ or an INTJ. I waffle a lot on the T/F scale.. I've been tested and I'm an INTJ, but I'm very low on the T-scale, only a few percentage points. I can slip into the F side pretty easily. I think Lilly might be a similar case. But overall - yes to your assessment!

[DrSkulk]

I haven't put much thought into the others, but I agree with your characterization of Lilly. She is definitely either an INFJ or an INTJ. I waffle a lot on the T/F scale.. I've been tested and I'm an INTJ, but I'm very low on the T-scale, only a few percentage points. I can slip into the F side pretty easily. I think Lilly might be a similar case. But overall - yes to your assessment!

Hey man, thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! As to your real type, don't worry too much about what the test says. Only you can determine what type you are; no one can do that for you. The test is designed to help you find who you are, but if you disagree, then that's just fair enough isn't it. It's you who knows yourself best after all.

Another thing: a person can be of multiple personalities at different points in their life. What I'm saying is, since the test only assesses you on which of the two extremes you are closer to, the result (i.e. the type that you get) does not show how far you are from such an extreme. As such, you could have a 51-49 split on the T-F scale and you'd be determined as a T. The test only tells you what you're typically like; it cannot tell you of all the different personalities you are known to have at different times in your everyday life. For all we know, you could very well be a mix of 2 or 3 different types. So take that into account when you're considering the Myers-Briggs types.

[AnotherKatawaShoujo]

I haven't put much thought into the others, but I agree with your characterization of Lilly. She is definitely either an INFJ or an INTJ. I waffle a lot on the T/F scale.. I've been tested and I'm an INTJ, but I'm very low on the T-scale, only a few percentage points. I can slip into the F side pretty easily. I think Lilly might be a similar case. But overall - yes to your assessment!

Hey man, thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! As to your real type, don't worry too much about what the test says. Only you can determine what type you are; no one can do that for you. The test is designed to help you find who you are, but if you disagree, then that's just fair enough isn't it. It's you who knows yourself best after all.

Another thing: a person can be of multiple personalities at different points in their life. What I'm saying is, since the test only assesses you on which of the two extremes you are closer to, the result (i.e. the type that you get) does not show how far you are from such an extreme. As such, you could have a 51-49 split on the T-F scale and you'd be determined as a T. The test only tells you what you're typically like; it cannot tell you of all the different personalities you are known to have at different times in your everyday life. For all we know, you could very well be a mix of 2 or 3 different types. So take that into account when you're considering the Myers-Briggs types.

I hope this doesn't come off as rude (it is really not intended to be, I swear lol), but you are preaching to the choir a bit. xD;; I'm wrapping up a degree in Psychology as we speak (please come soon, May...). But it's good info to have here in this thread anyway.

As you noted - there's lost of possible mixing and changes overtime. In modern personality assessment, people tend to use the MMPI or the NEOAC rather than Myers-Briggs... but meh, it's all the same sort of principle. I do prefer the MMPI and NEOAC, if only because they don't do AS much categorization. But at the end of the day, categorization is what we're going for.

At any rate, again, A+ on the guess work for all the girls' types! Well done and well explained.