Where is the Tsundere?

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Raiel
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Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Raiel » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:03 pm

I've nearly played every path, but was slightly disappointed to discover that there wasn't even a faint trace of Tsundere (everyone except for Hanako's, and I doubt she would be one).
At first I thought Shizune would be some kind of a Tsundere from Act 1 (it's the CGs fault), but I was mistaken.
I know some are glad there isn't any and maybe the developers wanted to avoid that kind of character. But at least it would provide a challenge to create a Tsundere in that kind of setting, without making it look too forced or inadequate. Even if some people dislike that kind of character type, some tsundere characters still turn out to be awesome.

Anyone else, who missed the tsundere vibes? Or even thinks that the game is incomplete without any such element (or the other extreme was glad, that there wasn't any)? Does Tsundere really fit into Katawa Shoujo or not?
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Favorite Char: 1.Rin 2.Misha 3.Kenji
Favorite Couple: Lilly x Hisao, Hisao x Misha x Shizune
Special Mention: Jigoro (for being awesome), Yandere Hanako (USO DA!), Emi's mom (for being MILFy)
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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Thrasher Thetic » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:08 pm

Pardon the ignorant midwesterner, but wtf is tsundere?
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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by scorptatious » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:16 pm

Thrasher Thetic wrote:Pardon the ignorant midwesterner, but wtf is tsundere?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Tsundere

Thank goodness for TV Tropes.

OT: I kinda had Shizune pegged as the Tsundere type as well. Until we started playing Risk that is.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Weaver » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:17 pm

Thrasher Thetic wrote:Pardon the ignorant midwesterner, but wtf is tsundere?
It's a character archetype. It's essentially a character that starts off cold/indifferent or even outright hating the protagonist, but over time grows to them and shows their warm side.

I really don't think the game needed one.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by themocaw » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:20 pm

Tsundere is a stereotypical anime girl personality type usually played by Kugimiya Rie. They are always short, wear short skirts and long stockings, and act like bitches unless they're being over the top cuddly. They aren't doing this because they like you or anything, either.

I honestly liked that there were no stereotypical tsunderes in this game. Shizune and Emi probably come closest.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Raiel » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:39 pm

Tsundere is a stereotypical anime girl personality type usually played by Kugimiya Rie. They are always short, wear short skirts and long stockings, and act like bitches unless they're being over the top cuddly. They aren't doing this because they like you or anything, either.
*rofl* ... Kugimiya-Rie-Loli Tsundere-undertype ruined everything XD ... (Thank god for the Tsunderailgun to make up for it) <.< >.>
Lilly (Good End on 1st try), Rin (Good End on 1st try), Emi (Bad End on 1st try), Shizune ("Bad" End on 1st try), Hanako Arch (Good End on 1st try)
Favorite Char: 1.Rin 2.Misha 3.Kenji
Favorite Couple: Lilly x Hisao, Hisao x Misha x Shizune
Special Mention: Jigoro (for being awesome), Yandere Hanako (USO DA!), Emi's mom (for being MILFy)
Least Favorite Char: Emi (by far)

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Panty Supervisor » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:47 pm

Meh. I used to like tsundere girls, but then I took an arrow... no wait, that's not how it goes.

I used to like tsundere girls in anime, but the idea gets a little bit worn out after you've seen it a dozen times. They always follow the same fucking formula. It's no problem to throw in a tsundere character for the fanservice if you have a strong plot going on. But in a VN like Katawa Shoujo that is focussed on the characters and their emotional problems, resorting to such a simple formula seems out of place and doesn't really work with the otherwise complex characters.
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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Thrasher Thetic » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:48 pm

Huzzah, I have been educated. You may proceed about your business.

Game didn't really 'need' it. Would have been nice, but then so would have 3 more characters and 20 more hours of excellent content, more choices, full voiceovers and animation, a ruby the size of an egg, and a mountain made of cake.

Can't have everything I guess.
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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by gekiganwing » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:53 pm

It's been a few years since I read a decent amount of the Katawa Shoujo demo. At the time, I thought the main characters more or less fit into common archetypes. (Emi seemed energetic, Rin seemed eccentric, Lily seemed refined, Hanako seemed deeply troubled... and I wasn't sure what to make of Shizune.) This isn't a criticism, just an observation. Using archetypal characters is a common and important aspect of fiction. And any archetype can be written well or poorly.

But yeah, even though I know that sugar-and-ice characters are common, I don't think they are necessary, even in a romance game. And keep in mind that there's an awful lot of character archetypes common to harem stories. So trying to fit more than a few into any one work of fiction would mean very little screen time per character, and would probably seem like overkill.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Sgt_Frog » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:13 pm

I liked the fact that none of the girls easily fit into an archetype. Each girl is her own, complex character.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Censored » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:22 pm

Well I for my part don't miss a tsundere in KS, I always asked myself why would anyone fall for a girl that pretty much constantly abuses you, even though it's sometimes
fun to watch.
Even the archetypes they used didn't semm that overpronounced like in other works, which I found quite refreshing, as well that the writers didn't choose to use all the "clichés" that normally
come with those highschool settings.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Ditsch » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:45 pm

Well i missed a tsundere and a tomboy character as i always fall for such characters, excluding the stereotypical anime girl personality type usually played by Kugimiya Rie.
About the abuse haha funny but to tell you there are "bars" in japan where the costumer pays money that the super cute waitress is rude to them haha. So yeah seem like a
lot of japanese people like to be abused by women at least on a verbal level lol.


But again i am happy ks is not to much about classical archetypes even there is the to perfect to be good girl from a catholic all girls school with a cheesy name and lesbian tendencies.
And they even had 2 iincho (class reprentives) and one with glasses and all about rules. :) like always.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Guest » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:52 pm

Good. Tsundere is a heavily overused archetype, and I'm glad that KS didn't have one.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by Snow_Storm » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:15 pm

As much as I like the tsundere/yandere archtype, I am happy this game did not had any and if it did, I sure it was on accident.

And to people who saying "But Shizune's and Emi's a tsundere!" No. Shizune's a bitch in general and ain't doing it to be cute. Emi's...just Emi.

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Re: Where is the Tsundere?

Post by erisi236 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:23 pm

I'm glad there's no tsun in this as it's a terribly overused trope in Anime that's far past it's use by date.

Tsundere also would never work in real life anyway. What guy in the world is going to hang out with a girl that leans in for a kiss then instead hits him over the head with an anvil and calls him an idiot?
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