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Re: Ask!

Post by OremLK » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:07 am

Yeah, I was referring to the stuffed penguin here. Seemed like it must've been placed there intentionally. More idle curiosity than anything else, since she doesn't seem to have many possessions whatsoever.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Steinherz » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:31 am

Aura wrote:Sure, it was accompanying a blog post some years ago.

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How come this one isn't on the Shimmie?
I mean, there's other bits of artwork featuring the Devs. Hell, there's a whole tag for y'all on the Shimmie.

Also, A22 totally looks like a younger Grisha Jaeger :lol:
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Re: Ask!

Post by Silentcook » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:10 am

OremLK wrote:Yeah, I was referring to the stuffed penguin here. Seemed like it must've been placed there intentionally. More idle curiosity than anything else, since she doesn't seem to have many possessions whatsoever.
Well, first of all, to prevent any wild speculation in this direction... none of us is a Linux fan or user, far as I know, so no OMG TTLY A LINUX EASTER EGG.

That aside, no idea. I suppose it's technically a mistake, especially considering the path and scene leading to that CG. Gdi, Moekki. :p
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Re: Ask!

Post by Silentcook » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:12 am

Steinherz wrote: How come this one isn't on the Shimmie?
I mean, there's other bits of artwork featuring the Devs. Hell, there's a whole tag for y'all on the Shimmie.
We're camera shy. :oops:
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Re: Ask!

Post by Steinherz » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:05 pm

Silentcook wrote:
Steinherz wrote: How come this one isn't on the Shimmie?
I mean, there's other bits of artwork featuring the Devs. Hell, there's a whole tag for y'all on the Shimmie.
We're camera shy. :oops:
.... why do I take that as "one of us forgot about it until just now"? :lol:
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Re: Ask!

Post by Silentcook » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:34 pm

Because you take things the way you want to, rather than at face value.
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Re: Ask!

Post by ParagonTerminus » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:51 pm

Silentcook wrote:
Steinherz wrote: How come this one isn't on the Shimmie?
I mean, there's other bits of artwork featuring the Devs. Hell, there's a whole tag for y'all on the Shimmie.
We're camera shy. :oops:
You just don't want to moderate the sudden Misha-shitstorm when they figure out who you are in that picture...
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Re: Ask!

Post by Sohtak » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:19 pm

I feel like it's been asked before but...

Do you guys ever feel like doing something more with KS? Especially after the sudden surge of interest in the later half of 2014? I mean hell I'm surprised that 4chan itself still talks about KS to this day as much as reddit and here on the official fourms, It feels like a bit of life has been breathed in. Or have you fully just washed your hands of it, Only supporting it in minor patches/updates?

ALSO

I remember hearing about a Japanese translation, Is that ever going to come to life? I remember hearing that Japanese people saw "Cripple girls" and like...IMMEDIATELY wrote off the game, Which is a shame beacause I have a feeling they'd like it if they could understand how well written and delicately handled it is.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:47 pm

I don't particularly get any KS impulses, and when I do I remember that there's at least two dozen more interesting things I could spend my time on instead. That's pretty much the fundamental problem with "making more KS". I never say never, but it's pretty unlikely I'd want to seriously craft more KS.

And yeah, the Japanese translation is complete and is going to be released pretty soon.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Atario » Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:53 pm

The fact that such a large percentage of people get Emi as their first heroine seems to hinge on following the nurse's orders getting them there. Was this intended? I.e., to make Emi a kind of baseline-setting "first girl"? Or was this tendency a surprise to the devs?
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Re: Ask!

Post by Kon22 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:00 pm

I believe that is because telling the Nurse that you will be careful and do your exercises and then trying to beat Emi in a race, you're automatically in her route. And, honestly, everyone tells that the Nurse. Telling him otherwise it's kind of a jerk move. And, at least me, can't turn down a challenge, so of course I tried to beat Emi :P

I'm fairly sure it went the same way for most people.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Notguest » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:47 pm

Emi requires the fewest correct choices to get.

I actually did the calculations once, and Emi is the most likely of the girls if you guess randomly at every point (Kenji is more likely then everyone else put together though). The fact that less than half the people say they got Kenji the first time suggests that people either choose non randomly or are liars.


For what it's worth, I got Kenji my first time, but I was trying for Lilly.

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Re: Ask!

Post by TheHivemind » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:04 am

Atario wrote:The fact that such a large percentage of people get Emi as their first heroine seems to hinge on following the nurse's orders getting them there. Was this intended? I.e., to make Emi a kind of baseline-setting "first girl"? Or was this tendency a surprise to the devs?
I don't think it was intentional, but then again I've been wrong before. In theory, the choices were there to sort of allow players to decide what they wanted Hisao's attitude to be--if he wanted to face it down and try to beat it through exercise, he'd land Emi. If he wanted to mope, he'd wind up with the other girls--or Kenji. We did intend to make Rin a little harder to get than the rest, though.

Or I'm spouting nonsense (I've been known to do that). When it came to figuring out what choices would result in which girl, I didn't provide much in the way of input beyond "if you decide to be athletic you'll wind up on Emi's path."

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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:34 am

Atario wrote:The fact that such a large percentage of people get Emi as their first heroine seems to hinge on following the nurse's orders getting them there. Was this intended? I.e., to make Emi a kind of baseline-setting "first girl"? Or was this tendency a surprise to the devs?
You could say it was somewhat intended. Definitely wasn't a surprise. While working on Act 1, I did a fair bit of behaviour and statistics based analysis on how the choices laid out Act 1 lead in to the routes, to see if the design worked as intended. The model was very rough, but correctly predicted many of the audience's tendencies, such as Emi Route and the Bad End being by far the most "popular" Act 1 outcomes. Emi is the most common route to get because it's the most probable route to get AND the choices that lead to it are ones that readers are more likely to choose.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Mirage_GSM » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:24 am

I'm certain that somebody already did this calculation before, but I just can't find the post, so I just redid the calculation:
The probabilities to get a certain Act I ending by randomly choosing your answers is as follows:

Kenji: 37,5%
Rin: 30,6%
Emi: 23,9%
Shizune: 3,5%
Lilly: 2,3%
Hanako: 2,3%

After Lunch Evolution Theory you will have a chance of a bit more than 18% each to have gained a flag for Shizune respectively Lilly/Hanako path. I.e. 63% chance you won't be able to get on either.
Both chances are again halved in Cold War since you have to pick the same path again - or you will be left with nothing but Emi's or Rin's path.
For Lilly and Hanako you have a 50% chance to split to Kenji's path after that and after that 50% to get to either Lilly's or Hanako's ending.
For Shizune you also have a 50% chance to get the deep end and then - depending on earlier choices - a smaller chance to get back on Emi's path, so Shizune is a bit more likely than Hanako/Lilly.
For Emi you have a 82% chance to not be on either Lilly/Hanako or Shizune path after Cold War. Then you have two 50% choices (down to 20,4%) to get her ending plus the small percentage to get her ending via Shizune's path.
For Rin you get the remaining 61% of the Emi/Rin path divided by two for a Kenji split.
Kenji gets the rest.
Emi > Misha > Hanako > Lilly > Rin > Shizune

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