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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Wed May 29, 2013 6:32 pm

Dizzy wrote:My question is about how set the Devs are about canon.

I recently found a group of people who are restoring the Alpha, giving it updated sprites and music and whatnot so it can be played for those who are curious. I'm asking about Hanako's route, in particular. I kind of noticed that her "True End" from the Alpha actually makes a really good epilogue to her finished route. It shows how Hanako and Hisao's relationship progresses, and how Hanako comes out of her shell and starts making friends. There's even that "one last hurdle" aspect with Hisao taking her to her old house to move past the trauma. I actually really liked it, and not much has to change for it to fit. Treat the part where Hanako confesses to Hisao in the Alpha as the end of the Final Version's kiss (it's the Final's kiss scene, but could easily be where the events of the Alpha pick up from), and switch a couple events from the Alpha to their equivalent in the Final (Lily's welcome home party wasn't because of her operation, it was "welcome back from Scotland", and any references Hanako makes to the boy who chased her and got killed are replaced with a general fear of losing people due to her parent's deaths). There's very few things changed from the Alpha ending to make it a suitable epilogue for the Final version.

I already know there's a whole "don't modify the game or we'll hate you" clause, so I can't make those changes myself and put out an altered version with the epilogue in it. My question is this:

Would the Devs be comfortable with me telling people that you can look at the game that way, go find the Alpha and play it to see an epilogue to the Hanako storyline, or is there a very firm "We changed that ending for a reason, so please leave it at that" stance on this? Also, I'm not asking so I can tell people "don't worry, the devs told me they endorse it as an epilogue." I just want to know if it'd be ok to put the idea out there, or if that's something the writers would disapprove of.

P.S. Sorry if this question was asked before, but there's nearly 200 pages of questions here and a quick search of the FAQ and search for "Canon/continuty" didn't show any answers to this particular question.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Dizzy » Wed May 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Aura wrote:
Dizzy wrote:Your question is insulting, but to answer: it's not our place to approve or disapprove any kind of discussion. We only want some kind of discussions to not happen in our front yard, which is why I normally would've banned you.
I didn't mean to be insulting. I didn't think it was serious enough to warrant a ban, either. I apologize, and will remove the question.

I read it through again and feel worse. I honestly didn't mean Katawa Shoujo should be changed, or to imply I should do it, or anything like that. I was thinking more like add the Alpha to the Final to show a friend if they wanted to see what I was talking about, but I made it sound much worse than that. Even that much would still be an insult to all the hard work everyone put into it. I'm sorry again. I don't think before I talk...

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Post by Jobriq » Wed May 29, 2013 9:19 pm

Dizzy wrote: I honestly didn't mean Katawa Shoujo should be changed, or to imply I should do it, or anything like that. I was thinking more like add the Alpha to the Final to show a friend if they wanted to see what I was talking about, but I made it sound much worse than that. Even that much would still be an insult to all the hard work everyone put into it.
From what I've heard about the alpha, it doesn't really interest me. I'd think I'd prefer not to have known about [plot detail from Hanako's alpha story] since it seemed kinda silly compared to Hanako's story in the actual VN. Considering how good the final product is I think its safe to trust that the writers' made the right choice in making whatever changes were made to the alpha.
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Post by Dizzy » Wed May 29, 2013 9:29 pm

Jobriq wrote:From what I've heard about the alpha, it doesn't really interest me. I'd think I'd prefer not to have known about [plot detail from Hanako's alpha story] since it seemed kinda silly compared to Hanako's story in the actual VN. Considering how good the final product is I think its safe to trust that the writers' made the right choice in making whatever changes were made to the alpha.
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Post by Mirage_GSM » Thu May 30, 2013 5:11 am

Uhm...
Aura wrote:We only want some kind of discussions to not happen in our front yard, which is why I normally would've banned you.
You're very much in their front-yard right now...
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Post by EpicGamerBot » Thu May 30, 2013 11:55 am

I would like to know how the dev team react to people saying how awesome the game is and how it changes there lives?

For me I am a bit depressed right now about life and school work and KS has shaken me up a lot (Hopefully for the better).
This is the same feeling I had when finishing reading Ender's Game the first time, where I walked in a daze for days thinking about the book and just thinking about my life.

Love the VN!

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Post by Aura » Thu May 30, 2013 2:20 pm

EpicGamerBot wrote:I would like to know how the dev team react to people saying how awesome the game is and how it changes there lives?

For me I am a bit depressed right now about life and school work and KS has shaken me up a lot (Hopefully for the better).
This is the same feeling I had when finishing reading Ender's Game the first time, where I walked in a daze for days thinking about the book and just thinking about my life.

Love the VN!
Mostly confusion. Positive feedback is great of course, but we can't quite comprehend exactly what in KS makes people feel this way about it.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Silentcook » Thu May 30, 2013 4:13 pm

Earlier I have given an answer that mostly applies in this case too, you can find it here.
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Re: Ask!

Post by EpicGamerBot » Fri May 31, 2013 1:18 am

Aura wrote:
EpicGamerBot wrote:I would like to know how the dev team react to people saying how awesome the game is and how it changes there lives?

For me I am a bit depressed right now about life and school work and KS has shaken me up a lot (Hopefully for the better).
This is the same feeling I had when finishing reading Ender's Game the first time, where I walked in a daze for days thinking about the book and just thinking about my life.

Love the VN!
Mostly confusion. Positive feedback is great of course, but we can't quite comprehend exactly what in KS makes people feel this way about it.
I think one of the main things for me is the music and the timings of it.
The music is melancholy and deep.
Sometimes it feels that even the happiest of moments of the game are sad still because of the music.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Jobriq » Fri May 31, 2013 2:59 am

EpicGamerBot wrote: I think one of the main things for me is the music and the timings of it.
The music is melancholy and deep.
Sometimes it feels that even the happiest of moments of the game are sad still because of the music.
That feeling when "Cold Iron" plays. words cannot describe it
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Re: Ask!

Post by EpicGamerBot » Fri May 31, 2013 8:54 am

Jobriq wrote:
EpicGamerBot wrote: I think one of the main things for me is the music and the timings of it.
The music is melancholy and deep.
Sometimes it feels that even the happiest of moments of the game are sad still because of the music.
That feeling when "Cold Iron" plays. words cannot describe it
I know I have had the game running in the background.
for me though it is just the melancholy of the title theme that captures what I feel is the sadness of it.

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Post by Loonie » Fri May 31, 2013 11:21 am

EpicGamerBot wrote:for me though it is just the melancholy of the title theme that captures what I feel is the sadness of it.
Funny, because for me it captures the warmth of it.

I guess it's best to just say: Whatever KS did, does and will continue to do for good or ill - it was, is and will always be needed.

Now to ask another question of anyone who cares to answer and if you can remember. During the 5 years that this was in development, how often or perhaps when did you get around to thinking about KS? Every time when you sat down at the computer? Or, if you were an artist, whenever you sat down to draw? That kinda question really...less so about did you think about it 1 month per year and moreso - when did your mind wander towards KS during the time you were making it?

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Post by Aura » Fri May 31, 2013 11:36 am

Loonie wrote:
EpicGamerBot wrote:for me though it is just the melancholy of the title theme that captures what I feel is the sadness of it.
Funny, because for me it captures the warmth of it.

I guess it's best to just say: Whatever KS did, does and will continue to do for good or ill - it was, is and will always be needed.

Now to ask another question of anyone who cares to answer and if you can remember. During the 5 years that this was in development, how often or perhaps when did you get around to thinking about KS? Every time when you sat down at the computer? Or, if you were an artist, whenever you sat down to draw? That kinda question really...less so about did you think about it 1 month per year and moreso - when did your mind wander towards KS during the time you were making it?
Most days. Creative work easily floats to the surface of the mind when it has nothing else to do, like in shower, or working out. Also, when deciding on how to spend my free time, there was always the choice of working on KS.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Guest Poster » Fri May 31, 2013 1:08 pm

Has Lilly's mother ever been given an official name? I noticed some art on the Shimmie calling her "Karla", but I'm not sure how official that was. Karla's not even an English/Scottish name...it's of German origin and used there and in Scandinavia (and occasionally the Netherlands as well) but doesn't seem at all common in the UK. I recall something about Lilly's mom once having been from a different country which may explain the name. Any light to be shed on this?
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Post by Silentcook » Fri May 31, 2013 2:53 pm

Loonie wrote:Now to ask another question of anyone who cares to answer and if you can remember...
I'm not entirely sure about the thrust of your question, but it was a minimum of three hours a day, every day. I understand this may not be the case for everyone, but how could I NOT think about unfinished business which I could actually affect by chipping at it?
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