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Re: Ask!

Post by dedsec » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:03 pm

What kind of music does Hanako Ikezawa like?
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Post by cpl_crud » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:48 pm

dedsec wrote:What kind of music does Hanako Ikezawa like?

I should know this...

What I'm thinking is "Music without edges" - in that nothing too jumpy. So I'm thinking classical, soft rock, and probably also generic J-pop (low energy).
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Re: Ask!

Post by ToiletBowlTim » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:56 am

Did any of you get off to Hanako's rape scene or was it strictly professional?

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Post by QuietlySomething » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:44 am

ToiletBowlTim wrote:Did any of you get off to Hanako's rape scene or was it strictly professional?
Alt of Bringr I'm assuming.

To be clear, just because a sex scene is uncomfortable (which was completely deliberate) doesn't mean it was a rape scene. Hanako explained that she wanted to have sex with Hisao because she was worried he would stop being friends with her. Hisao was in a completely different emotional place and admitted that what Hanako said made him feel sick, but it was in no way, shape or form non-consensual. IMO, t's like the climax of the struggles between the two of them to communicate with or relate to each other.

Try approaching the story with even a tiny bit of nuance.

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Post by ToiletBowlTim » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:22 pm

QuietlySomething wrote:
ToiletBowlTim wrote:Did any of you get off to Hanako's rape scene or was it strictly professional?
Alt of Bringr I'm assuming.

To be clear, just because a sex scene is uncomfortable (which was completely deliberate) doesn't mean it was a rape scene. Hanako explained that she wanted to have sex with Hisao because she was worried he would stop being friends with her. Hisao was in a completely different emotional place and admitted that what Hanako said made him feel sick, but it was in no way, shape or form non-consensual. IMO, t's like the climax of the struggles between the two of them to communicate with or relate to each other.

Try approaching the story with even a tiny bit of nuance.
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Post by Mirage_GSM » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:12 pm

Don't feed the troll.
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Post by ToiletBowlTim » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:27 pm

That's kind of harsh, at least he didn't write such a horrible route. He might just have been misled to defend it.

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Post by cpl_crud » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:35 pm

ToiletBowlTim wrote:That's kind of harsh, at least he didn't write such a horrible route. He might just have been misled to defend it.
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I've resisted answering these comments for some time, however I feel like there are some things that need to be said here. Before I start, I'd like to welcome you to get in contact with me personally if you'd like to discuss this further. If you're just here to troll and get a reaction, then fine, enjoy that. If you have a legitimate discussion about the topic of consent, then please, get in touch. I know that there were other Devs that were involved in crafting the scene that you read, so I can't speak for all of them though.

First up, let me make one thing clear. Hanako's sex scene was not written as a "rape" scene. However, as with all art, there are different interpretations, and as a creator, I need to live with that. So if the Hanako route is a subverted rape path to you, then I can't argue with that. But, by the same token, you also need to accept that your interpretation will also be challenged.

I am really enthused by the fact that something that I had a part in creating has sparked a discussion about consent. I think that a lot of people get a little embarrassed when it comes to sex education, but I'm glad that there are people that take it seriously enough to fly the flag. But, please remember that consent doesn't mean that you're going to enjoy something. Most people consent to immunizations and blood tests, but that doesn't mean that they enjoy needles. Sex also isn't something as simple as we would like it to be, and many people have different conceptions about it. Yes, you need to have a dialogue with your partner when it comes to sex. But, but the same token, you also don't need to ask "are you OK if I continue" every step of the way. It's perfectly acceptable for one partner to have a "just get on with it" attitude to sex. Of course, by the same token, consent is revocable by either party at any time.

Is this what happened in the Hanako path? No. At least not intentionally. Writing sex scenes is hard and its embarrassing - I would say even more embarrassing than the act itself. The original sex scenes that I wrote for the Hanako path were much more "advanced" than two virgins having sex should have been. I'll admit that these were because my original girlfriends were more experienced than I was, and at the time of writing the Hanako path I only had limited experience with sex in general. Thankfully I was called out on this and the final sex scenes are about as awkward as two people fumbling around for the first time should be.

I noted that your screencap mentioned condoms. I actually wrote about this many years ago, you can find the post here. https://cplcrud.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/on-condoms/
Carrying condoms is something that I did for many years before having sex. I am actually disappointed that more fictional sex doesn't include safe sex. In fact, I was talking to a coworker from the US today, and I noted that he was also slightly embarrassed when we started talking about condoms, and that was one of the triggers to write this post. Buying condoms is embarrassing. I've been buying condoms for over a decade, and I still prefer to buy them form a vending machine and not at a supermarket as I hate seeing the cashier scan them. But you can bet that I still buy them.

I know that you probably still have concerns, and I'm happy to continue the discussion - but not here. This is a forum for people that are wanting to know more about the game and aren't interested in a troll war. If there is a serious and civil discussion then we can continue on a new thread, but this is the thread for asking and answering questions.

And so, now I will answer your original question. No. I didn't "get off" at Hanako's consensual sex scene. It was embarrassing for me to write and I'm glad that the other devs were able to edit it into something that thousands of people have enjoyed. Also, as a father and a believer in sexual equality and fairness, I'm partially glad that there is a discussion about consent that has come from this. But, by the same token, I'm concerned that some people's view of sex has changed such that two teens fumbling over each other for the first time is seen as less consensual than a porn star being double-teamed.
Rape is no laughing matter, and it's not one to be taken lightly. I know that the rules of the internet state that I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I also think that if we trivialize Rape and start to mis-diagnose it, then we will become numb to the real rape. Just think - in India a child is raped every 3 hours. If you are really concerned about sexual violence - as I am - then maybe let's work together on topics like this by donating to charities like Amnesty (which I do) or MSF so that they can protect and also rehabilitate real rape victims.

As noted, I'm happy for you to reply, but please either make a new thread, or get in contact with me through a more appropriate forum.
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Re: Ask!

Post by dedsec » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:12 pm

What year does Katawa Shoujo take place?
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Post by cpl_crud » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:18 pm

dedsec wrote:What year does Katawa Shoujo take place?

2007 last time I checked
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Re: Ask!

Post by StilesLong » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:05 pm

cpl_crud wrote:
dedsec wrote:What year does Katawa Shoujo take place?

2007 last time I checked

Does it change from time to time? :P

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Post by cpl_crud » Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:34 pm

StilesLong wrote:
cpl_crud wrote:
dedsec wrote:What year does Katawa Shoujo take place?

2007 last time I checked

Does it change from time to time? :P
To my memory it is 2007, but my memory is failing
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Post by Jobriq » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:07 pm

cpl_crud wrote:Carrying condoms is something that I did for many years before having sex.
It's not like I carry them around hoping to lose my virginity or anything, b-baka!...
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Post by cpl_crud » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:27 pm

Jobriq wrote:
cpl_crud wrote:Carrying condoms is something that I did for many years before having sex.
It's not like I carry them around hoping to lose my virginity or anything, b-baka!...
I still like the Alien vs Predator quote
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Re: Ask!

Post by dedsec » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:35 pm

Since Hanako has a cell phone, how might she pay for service or for the basic necessities of life such as bills and food while being in high school?
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