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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:34 pm

Not really. Anyway, obviously everything would be made to fit.
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Re: Ask!

Post by TheHivemind » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:50 pm

Aura wrote:
Guest Poster wrote:Hisao already notes early in Lilly's route that there's a rather prominent rumor mill at Yamaku that even manages to reach Kenji from time to time. When Misha changed her brown, straight hair into whacky pink curls she was likely tossed into said rumor mill too and people jumped to the conclusion that's often reached when a female suddenly changes her hairstyle in Japan.
Please no wild fan speculation in this thread. It exists for making things clearer, not the opposite.

Anyway, Hive meant to write Emi and Misha as good friends, but that never materialized properly. The line is an undead remnant of that.
Like Aura said, there was originally going to be more hints that Emi and Misha had crossed paths on more than one occasion. It was discarded (or more accurately, never really explored) due to a myriad of reasons, some to do with being a lousy writer, others to do with the fact that Emi's path was scrapped and started from (almost) scratch about four years into development. Other hints of the Emi/Misha connection include some editorial comments from Misha during a lecture on PDA (which, come to think of it, might have also been removed but I don't remember anymore) and the fact that Misha is the one to talk to you if things go poorly (which was not so much a vestige as it was a reference to what could have been, if I'd been a) better at writing b) better at negotiating c) less burned out on the project by the end of the writing process). I think there might be one or two off-handed comments from Emi and Misha in the path that serve as more references to it (and there was something in the dinner scene at one point, but again I can't remember what made it in and what didn't).

Isn't it sad Micchan ;____; etc. etc.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Liminaut » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:12 am

Heh. I thought that comment meant that Emi and Misha had been friends with benefits at one point. I may have been reading a little too much into it :-)

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Re: Ask!

Post by ksfan1989 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:47 am

My guess was that it was just one of those things that everyone thought was obvious and Hisao was just being dense. Because, let's face it, that's pretty in character for him. It's nice to have an explanation for the line though, it seemed a bit out of place.

I can't say the thought of Emi having had a fling with Misha ever crossed my mind. Seeing how Emi is like the anti-Shizune I don't know that she'd be Misha's type.

Thanks for clarifying guys, and y'know, for the game and all.

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Re: Ask!

Post by TheHivemind » Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:50 pm

Liminaut wrote:Heh. I thought that comment meant that Emi and Misha had been friends with benefits at one point. I may have been reading a little too much into it :-)
Ha ha ha yes how ridiculous.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Silentcook » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:04 am

Mayhap we should just make the Ask! thread redirect to the Fanfiction section, Hive. :lol:
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Re: Ask!

Post by sanduba » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:46 pm

Who came up with the character names? I found some really old forum posts, and apparently Shizune's early name was Rosa.
Best story:
Hanako > Rin > Lilly > Emi > Shizune

best girl:
Lilly > Shizune > Emi > Hanako > Rin

Eh, that's my opinion.

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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:09 pm

The main cast's names were decided by voting before 4LS's time. After that, the writers came up with the names for the minor characters in their respective stories with the exception of Hivemind. In addition crud is responsible for many names including Iwanako, Yuuko, Misha, and Kenji while I came up with the names for Natsume, Naomi, Taro, Suzu, Takashi and Miki. As a bonus, all the kanji readings are by me and hir.
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Re: Ask!

Post by Liminaut » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:54 pm

The story of 4LS is quite remarkable.

-- A group formed itself around a common vision
-- With members from all over the world
-- Established roles without a hierarchy
-- Maintained itself after losing key members
-- Maintained itself over a very long haul
-- Was composed of strong personalities that managed to work together to a common goal
-- And produced something remarkable in the end

I believe that the story of 4L itself is valuable. All the details of what it was like to work across continents; what it was like to maintain moral through cycles of despair, exhilaration, and burnout; what it was like to have arguments without losing respect.

What 4LS did organizationally was something a lot of very bright people are trying to figure out how to make work on a regular basis. For instance, a big goal of Occupy Wall Street was trying to figure out how to have a political movement without having a hierarchy. I believe that the story of 4LS and exactly how you did it could do a lot of good in the world and become a template for other organizations to use.

My ask is: Could 4LS produce a book based on the experiences of creating KS? I could see the 4LS experience becoming a template for other projects.

If one wanted to be painfully PoPoMo, one could suggest producing a VN about producing VNs, but serious contemplation of that project would likely drive Cthulhu into therapy.

The bit about the VN is a joke. The bit about a work about the story of 4LS is absolutely serious, and I genuinely think it would do a lot of good.

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Re: Ask!

Post by cpl_crud » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:01 pm

Liminaut wrote:The story of 4LS is quite remarkable.


My ask is: Could 4LS produce a book based on the experiences of creating KS? I could see the 4LS experience becoming a template for other projects.

Whilst I would actually enjoy doing something like that, I'm not sure if I would actually be able to do it. Plus the big lesson would basically be "roll with the punches - there will be many".

However, there is a good HBR article about a company that is successful without a defined hierarchy:
http://hbr.org/2011/12/first-lets-fire-all-the-managers

This is not the only company that follows this format, but it was the first one that came to mind (and, through some strange fluke, it appears that you can read it free on HBR.org).
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Re: Ask!

Post by Bad Apple » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:25 pm

TheHivemind wrote:
Liminaut wrote:Heh. I thought that comment meant that Emi and Misha had been friends with benefits at one point. I may have been reading a little too much into it :-)
Ha ha ha yes how ridiculous.
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...And thus, Emisha was officially born...

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cpl_crud wrote:
Liminaut wrote:The story of 4LS is quite remarkable.

My ask is: Could 4LS produce a book based on the experiences of creating KS? I could see the 4LS experience becoming a template for other projects.
However, there is a good HBR article about a company that is successful without a defined hierarchy:
http://hbr.org/2011/12/first-lets-fire-all-the-managers
Fun fact: Valve operates this way as well.

TL;DR on the article: The limits of management and the mention of self-management by name and in practice. Much like Morning Star (the company discussed), it is actually not unusual for groups organized via the Internet to operate this way or that way, etc. Historically (in meatspace) these theories are never put in practice for long before being shot down by the authorities.

Incidentally 4LS was never terminated by the authorities; all their issues were internal. Without external variables, I don't think the comparison presented is well-founded (regarding anarchic integrity) as it does not fully account for such major differences.

Simply put, if you are interested in a "template" that resembles and predates 4LS's success, all I have to say is: peruse literature lurk moar

An autobio chronicling 4LS's history would still be a welcoming read though
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Re: Ask!

Post by TheHivemind » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:43 am

Bad Apple wrote:
TheHivemind wrote:
Liminaut wrote:Heh. I thought that comment meant that Emi and Misha had been friends with benefits at one point. I may have been reading a little too much into it :-)
Ha ha ha yes how ridiculous.
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...And thus, Emisha was officially born...

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You act as if it wasn't already a thing.

A search of the fanfiction forum would demonstrate otherwise.

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Re: Ask!

Post by delta » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:13 pm

A Comedy of Errors: The Making Of Katawa Shoujo
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Re: Ask!

Post by Steinherz » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:21 pm

delta wrote:A Comedy of Errors: The Making Of Katawa Shoujo
Is it bad I would totally pay to see that? I love "Making Of" featurettes :lol:
I write take a look, would you kindly?
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Re: Ask!

Post by Aura » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:23 pm

Isn't the blog enough? It's flattering if you think we're special, but most of the development was stupid shit that really isn't worth telling about except anecdotally, I feel.

EDIT: By "isn't worth" I obviously mean "would be too embarrassing"
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