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Post Credit?

Post by darksideblue » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:35 pm

Ok so i have finished both the Shizune and lilly routes but I am confused. I got what appears to be the good ending for both but on lillys path i got a post credit scene that pretty much wrapped everything up.... with shizune i still have no idea how it ended. Its seemed like it was on an up note but no clear "lets walk off into the sunset" moment...

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Brogurt » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:37 pm

Lilly is the only route that has an epilogue after the best end.
It's pretty stupid, and implies that the devs favor her as the canon route.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by darksideblue » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:51 pm

boooooooo.... out of all of them i liked shizune, seems kinda mean to not give more closure than what they do.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Silentcook » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:44 pm

Brogurt wrote:Lilly is the only route that has an epilogue after the best end.
It's pretty stupid, and implies that the devs favor her as the canon route.
You're welcome to think that's pretty stupid, but you're not welcome to interpret our decisions for us, especially considering we have stated outright time and time again that we have NO "canon" route in the game.
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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Brogurt » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:50 pm

I'd argue that Word of God takes a back seat to what is actually evidenced in the finished product.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by delta » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:53 pm

I'd argue that what we say takes precedence to what you say.
I'd also argue that if you don't stop acting like a jackass you will find yourself in a position of not being able to do so any more shortly.
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Re: Post Credit?

Post by INFERTakuya » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:25 am

Seeing as the dev team's got their eye on this thread, I think I'll just throw this idea I just got out there. No idea how difficult it is, or if it's even possible to do so without a massive risk of causing bugs, but adding an epilogue scene after the credits for every route that only unlocks provided a Good End is achieved, along with scoring enough of...uhh...points with the girl in question might be a good idea.

Basically, something like Lilly's epilogue, except that you only get it if a Good End is achieved, along with making all the right moves in all the right places.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Nekken » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:22 am

One of the interesting things about this game is that the relationships don't just differ by who you end up with: the relationship dynamics are also very different between them. Lilly's is the only route with a post-credits epilogue, but it's also the only one where an epilogue is really necessary. The others provide some form of closure before the credits roll: the characters don't have their whole lives sketched out, but there's enough to provide a satisfying picture of where things stand, and where they are going for now. Lilly's is different: after the emotional roller coaster, things are left relatively unclear before the credits roll. To some extent this is because ultimately there's a clearer ever-after on this path than the others, but that's not entirely a good thing: it is also the closest thing this game has to a stereotypical VN relationship.

In other words, it has nothing to do with developer favor. Her path needed an epilogue: the others did not.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by V2Blast » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:34 pm

Nekken wrote:One of the interesting things about this game is that the relationships don't just differ by who you end up with: the relationship dynamics are also very different between them. Lilly's is the only route with a post-credits epilogue, but it's also the only one where an epilogue is really necessary. The others provide some form of closure before the credits roll: the characters don't have their whole lives sketched out, but there's enough to provide a satisfying picture of where things stand, and where they are going for now. Lilly's is different: after the emotional roller coaster, things are left relatively unclear before the credits roll. To some extent this is because ultimately there's a clearer ever-after on this path than the others, but that's not entirely a good thing: it is also the closest thing this game has to a stereotypical VN relationship.

In other words, it has nothing to do with developer favor. Her path needed an epilogue: the others did not.
Also, people should note: the different paths had different writers - and presumably, they had different views on how their path should end.
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Re: Post Credit?

Post by techk8 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:17 pm

Someone is upset that his/her favorite shoujo didn't get an epilogue.

But then again, having an epilogue for each character would be nice. But hey, that's up to the developers/writers and they have the final word. Just my two cents.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by INFERTakuya » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:29 pm

techk8 wrote:But then again, having an epilogue for each character would be nice. But hey, that's up to the developers/writers and they have the final word. Just my two cents.
This.

The v1.0 gives me some hope for content patches though. *Emi's puppy dog eyes*
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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Byne » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:43 pm

They should just move the Lilly epilogue to be before the credits. Its not like its a time skip set many years later. School is still going on. I think it's even be set before the Shizune ending. There really doesnt seem to be much reason to have it as an epilogue, except to confuse people into thinking they've missed epilogues from other routes.
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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Yo-yo » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:55 pm

It doesn't seem like favoritism to me at all. Lilly was the only character to get another scene after the credits, yes, but that doesn't really mean anything. Her path would have seemed exactly the same to me if they showed that scene directly after the hospital. It was just a minor time skip between the events before and after the credits. There were longer time skips in other paths. In fact, I don't really understand why that scene was pushed after the credits. They could have pushed the final scenes of every path behind the credits, and it probably would have seemed the same as what happened with Lilly. Hanako's path: Path ends after their breakdown in the park. Credits roll. Post-credits scene with them walking in town, implied to be a few days later, with exactly the same dialogue. Seems like an epilogue. Rin's path: Path ends after Hisao comforts Rin in the art room. Credits roll. Post-credits scene where after having sex, Rin leads Hisao out into that field. Epilogue. Just because Lilly's final scene took place after the credits doesn't mean her path contained he only true epilogue, it just seems that way. An epilogue is just the final scene in a piece of writing meant to show what happens to the characters, or to tie up any loose ends. Nothing says that it has to be after the credits, or that they narrator has to say, "One week later..." or something. Every path had an epilogue, most of them were just before the credits.

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Re: Post Credit?

Post by Carnificus » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:20 pm

Yo-yo wrote:It doesn't seem like favoritism to me at all. Lilly was the only character to get another scene after the credits, yes, but that doesn't really mean anything. Her path would have seemed exactly the same to me if they showed that scene directly after the hospital. It was just a minor time skip between the events before and after the credits. There were longer time skips in other paths. In fact, I don't really understand why that scene was pushed after the credits. They could have pushed the final scenes of every path behind the credits, and it probably would have seemed the same as what happened with Lilly. Hanako's path: Path ends after their breakdown in the park. Credits roll. Post-credits scene with them walking in town, implied to be a few days later, with exactly the same dialogue. Seems like an epilogue. Rin's path: Path ends after Hisao comforts Rin in the art room. Credits roll. Post-credits scene where after having sex, Rin leads Hisao out into that field. Epilogue. Just because Lilly's final scene took place after the credits doesn't mean her path contained he only true epilogue, it just seems that way. An epilogue is just the final scene in a piece of writing meant to show what happens to the characters, or to tie up any loose ends. Nothing says that it has to be after the credits, or that they narrator has to say, "One week later..." or something. Every path had an epilogue, most of them were just before the credits.
Yeah what this guy said, I'm not really bothered by other characters not having their epilogue scenes after the credits. Personally I think the fact that there's so much difference between the stories and how they end just adds to how unique and awesome the game is, it definitely doesn't come off as favoritism.
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