Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by ardiel » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:32 pm

Very touching path but I agree, Hisao was an idiot. :x Wanted to kick him some times. How could he not know from near the beginning? Or at least how could he not have some kind of sneaking suspicion.

TBH it was hard to play it that way, with me figuring it out years before his script did. It was still good in spite of that.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Palas » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:27 pm

Just gone through Hanako's path. Emi's still my favourite and will probably remain so, since I don't really like the other girls even if I'm really growing fond of Lilly more and more.
While we are here discussing, Hanako is somewhere hopping from dark to darker tiles. Alone.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Yuno » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:29 pm

Palas wrote:Just gone through Hanako's path. Emi's still my favourite and will probably remain so, since I don't really like the other girls even if I'm really growing fond of Lilly more and more.
I dunno. Characters can really grow on you. I just ended up on Rin's path by a whim, saying "I may as well get this over with after I just did Emi's"
I was totally wrong. I thought Rin's path was the best. Don't count yourself out just yet.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Palas » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:36 pm

Yuno wrote:
Palas wrote:Just gone through Hanako's path. Emi's still my favourite and will probably remain so, since I don't really like the other girls even if I'm really growing fond of Lilly more and more.
I dunno. Characters can really grow on you. I just ended up on Rin's path by a whim, saying "I may as well get this over with after I just did Emi's"
I was totally wrong. I thought Rin's path was the best. Don't count yourself out just yet.
The problem is that I already feel emotionally attached to Emi's route. Any point I make from now on "the best-written path" or whatever will be highly biased due to the fact that Emi's was my first one and, hell, it gave me tears strolling down my cheeks. And, yes, I keep repeating that because I find it really amusing.
While we are here discussing, Hanako is somewhere hopping from dark to darker tiles. Alone.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Rivinhal » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:42 pm

Palas wrote:
Yuno wrote:
Palas wrote:Just gone through Hanako's path. Emi's still my favourite and will probably remain so, since I don't really like the other girls even if I'm really growing fond of Lilly more and more.
I dunno. Characters can really grow on you. I just ended up on Rin's path by a whim, saying "I may as well get this over with after I just did Emi's"
I was totally wrong. I thought Rin's path was the best. Don't count yourself out just yet.
The problem is that I already feel emotionally attached to Emi's route. Any point I make from now on "the best-written path" or whatever will be highly biased due to the fact that Emi's was my first one and, hell, it gave me tears strolling down my cheeks. And, yes, I keep repeating that because I find it really amusing.
Whilst I felt the same way you did (Emi as my first path, and possibly my favorite, though i'm not deciding just yet..) I did Hanako's path right after, and felt those same feelings.. I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the paths do this to you, albeit in different ways..

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by contown » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:00 pm

Emi was by far my favorite for Act 1, and after playing through her whole route, she's still by far my favorite. Not only was her route emotional in nearly every way, what I liked the most is how Emi was initially "that loli girl that's all cute and cuddly." But she broke that mold almost entirely. She was the most vulgar of all the girls, had a surprisingly awesome sense of humor, and was... Easy. If you know what I mean. And when she told you to GTFO out her house? Was not expecting that, It was a nice, albeit depressing, suprise.She was awesome. And her route also made me laugh my ass off more than once. Namely, "I could be a pirate. I already have the legs for it." *Rin bursts into the room.* "I need to use your window." And maybe it was me, but their dialogue after their little experimentation in the track shed was hilarious. How both of them were practically limping and saying "there's no way in hell we're doing that again."

Case in point, Emi was surprisingly great, had a lot more to her than what initially met the eye, the graveyard scene almost made me shed mantears, and oh my god that CG where she's sitting on her bed with her hair down after she just woke up from her nap.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Silentcook » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:44 pm

Yuno wrote:There's a definite act of conflicting writing going on, which makes me think two very different people wrote the scenes for her. This is pure speculation, but
Writer 1 vouched for the very innocent, cute, and broken parts of her.
Writer 2 vouched for the playfully lustful and nymphet-like side of her, and Writer 1 tried to backpedal the story out of it.
I'll kill this bit of speculation off for anyone interested: Emi's path has been near-completely written by Hivemind. The only parts not flowing out of his pen are the two demi-scenes concerning Iwanako's letter and a few extra lines here and there, which were written by me much later after consulting with him. Obviously none of that has anything to do with Emi's character.
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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by AndR » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:56 pm

Emi felt quite natural for me. She had her own way of coping, and nothing stroke me as out of character.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Sickhawk » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:01 pm

Silentcook wrote:
Yuno wrote:There's a definite act of conflicting writing going on, which makes me think two very different people wrote the scenes for her. This is pure speculation, but
Writer 1 vouched for the very innocent, cute, and broken parts of her.
Writer 2 vouched for the playfully lustful and nymphet-like side of her, and Writer 1 tried to backpedal the story out of it.
I'll kill this bit of speculation off for anyone interested: Emi's path has been near-completely written by Hivemind. The only parts not flowing out of his pen are the two demi-scenes concerning Iwanako's letter and a few extra lines here and there, which were written by me much later after consulting with him. Obviously none of that has anything to do with Emi's character.
The qualities described there hardly seem contradictory or even exclusive. I didn't particularly notice a conflict of character, for what it's worth.


As for the story - I really enjoyed it. Apart from a few bits of slightly awkward dialogue (-> Critical act of reconciliation on the track, after the strong fight) it was tight (some other guy mentioned cutting the fat) and entertaining.
Between her change in artstyle from demo and the great story Emi has pretty much gone from being my least favourite to one of my favourite ladies (so far). "Am I poplar yet? tier" into "Oh god be my girlfriendu forever tier".

10/10 A+++ Fucking top notch KS devs, would radically alter my opinion on her again and again and again.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by corinthian » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:06 pm

I had intended on doing Emi's path last, but ended up on it by accident and decided to keep going. Best decision I've ever made. I literally just finished it, and holy crap that was good. Funny, tragic, realistic, epic. Definitely the overall favorite of the ones I've done so far (also finished Hanako and Shizune)

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Hivemind » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:31 pm

Silentcook wrote:
Yuno wrote:There's a definite act of conflicting writing going on, which makes me think two very different people wrote the scenes for her. This is pure speculation, but
Writer 1 vouched for the very innocent, cute, and broken parts of her.
Writer 2 vouched for the playfully lustful and nymphet-like side of her, and Writer 1 tried to backpedal the story out of it.
I'll kill this bit of speculation off for anyone interested: Emi's path has been near-completely written by Hivemind. The only parts not flowing out of his pen are the two demi-scenes concerning Iwanako's letter and a few extra lines here and there, which were written by me much later after consulting with him. Obviously none of that has anything to do with Emi's character.
I'll be honest--if there's any difference in tone, it's solely because while developing the path, there were several different versions that got tried and discarded--and some of them had a more sexually active Emi, while others gave center stage to the broken bits. In the end we (me and the devs) didn't really care for any of them, so we combined them into what (I hoped) was a more well-rounded character. Unfortunately there were still some tonal issues that Cook and the other editors valiantly tried to smooth out, but at some point even they had to call it a done deal.

And Emi has a foul mouth because I swear all the time--and I'm pretty sure that we trimmed down the swearing. Emi swore like a fucking pirate in some drafts.

This concludes your 'writer nattering on about his path' portion of the thread. Carry on.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Bulldozer » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:16 pm

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by FFIXMaster » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:23 pm

Hivemind wrote:I'll be honest--if there's any difference in tone, it's solely because while developing the path, there were several different versions that got tried and discarded--and some of them had a more sexually active Emi, while others gave center stage to the broken bits. In the end we (me and the devs) didn't really care for any of them, so we combined them into what (I hoped) was a more well-rounded character. Unfortunately there were still some tonal issues that Cook and the other editors valiantly tried to smooth out, but at some point even they had to call it a done deal.

And Emi has a foul mouth because I swear all the time--and I'm pretty sure that we trimmed down the swearing. Emi swore like a fucking pirate in some drafts.

This concludes your 'writer nattering on about his path' portion of the thread. Carry on.
As gut-wrenching and slutty I thought Emi felt, I still thought the story was pretty great and that everything she did felt justified in the end, so don't feel too bad about the tone 'not matching up' or whatever.

My issues with her being 'slutty' probably say more about me and my past relationships than anything else. I will totally admit that.

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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Levy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:53 pm

Seems I never really get what I want. I originally started a new play through, attempting to go Rin my second play and instead tried racing Emi, triggering her Act 2. Not that I was disappointed or anything. Her story left me asking fewer questions than Shizune's story, that's for sure.

My only regret is that we never got to see this little event play out: http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post ... id=1037651

Seems like it could have easily replaced the leg getting sore bit, though I guess that part was necessary to cater to her "don't need help" attitude. I'll be honest, though, if one of her prosthetics had broken then would she have insisted on crawling to the dorm for her walking prosthetics or would she have let Hisao carry her, or in the very least lean on him while she hops on the other prosthetic? Her personality is still a mystery for me.

Third play through and it seems my subconsious is begging for Hanako... Yup, just hit act 2.
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Re: Discussion - Emi Route (*Spoilers* Warning)

Post by Palas » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:59 pm

Hisao states that she's surprisingly heavy somewhere along the way, so they would have to change it. You know, Hisao wouldn't make it to the nursery.
While we are here discussing, Hanako is somewhere hopping from dark to darker tiles. Alone.

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