something like this is bound to happen.
OtakuNinja, I should slap you hard for dragging me into this
...and the last few posts makes me feel like reading a CIA file or something with all that black bars
Grab your popcorn everyone~!
Personally I believe it to be swept under the rug after the climax and after the ending. Lilly learned to rely in others, but that is just one of the answered questions out of a few that were left out.
I thought you believed Hisao died horrible and painfully on the floor of the airport?
Wait. Wait. I thought it ended too perfectly with everything wrapped up. Now you're telling me that the ending doesn't wrap everything up? So, which is it?
Did I, in any occasion, mentioned that the ending wrapped everything up? Nope. If I remember correctly, I said this before:
"Do tell me how everything is wrapped up in Lilly's route"
So did I say that everything is wrapped up? I don't think so.
What I meant is the presentation
of the ending or how convenient
the solution is that made it too perfect
. Think about it this way...
1. Lilly and Akira are demanded to return to Scotland by their parents.
2. Akira clearly stated that she's breaking up since she can't take her boyfriend with him
3. At the end of the epilogue, somehow she can take her boyfriend abroad and all the problems with their family disappears.
You don't see anything "odd" (heh) in this? Let's assume that Lilly and Akira are not forced to return to Scotland in the first place, where would that lead? Would Lilly and Akira pull through all that trouble that leads to the airport, or--considering their status as what I believe to be permanent residents--would they stay knowing they have their partners in Japan?
Obvious answer isn't it? They won't even go through the trouble and ignore them in the first place.
Now let's say that they are forced to return. Does that mean it's mandatory to return to Scotland regardless
of the situation? Yes, which then puts us in the ending of Lilly's route and how it plays out. Now with that laid out, we can move to the other one to discuss: the parents
Oddball wrote:Who's to say they won't stand for it?
, which is why I find the ending too perfect; as if the problem somehow disappeared or 'swept under the rug' (though that isn't the only one; we'll get to that further down). As much as I look at it, there's a problem that exist in Lilly's route between her and her family that is as conspicuous as a phallus statue during Kanamara festival in Japan (if you don't know, look it up). This problem is stressed
throughout her route by Lilly herself
, only to suddenly 'disappear' when we hit the epilogue (leaving us with Akira and her boyfriend flying off to Scotland). One of the plausible solution to this question is that Lilly's problem revolves around whether she 'returns to Scotland or not', which then pits us back to the point: is it mandatory?
again, back to the beginning. If her parents runs with a carefree attitude, then it can be assumed that Lilly and Akira wouldn't even bother to go into the trouble that is reflected in the few final scenes of the ending. But if her parents ordered and said that it is mandatory to return
, then they wouldn't have much choice now do they?
Oddball wrote:For that matter, the way it was presented in the game, it always seemed as though Lilly had a choice whether she was going to obey them or not.
This is plausible.
Now think as if you're Lilly's parent over in Scotland and finds that your youngest daughter decides to stay in Japan because she has a boyfriend there. How pissed would you be? Do note, we are talking about a family that has ties to Asian culture and from my experience, they'd be mighty pissed--probably enough to fly over there and drag you back.
Japanese people aren't required to stay in Japan their entire lives, you know. They are allowed to leave the country.
What about Akira's boyfriend suddenly being able to leave to Scotland with Akira? How does that work?
You don't say?
I'm talking about the bigger picture here. How long is Akira's stay in Scotland? Permanently or momentary? We never know, but it is assumed that she's staying there permanently which is a legit reason why she broke up with her boyfriend in the first place (long distance relationship requires great perseverance and is difficult to maintain). Do you have any idea how difficult it is to obtain a permanent resident visa if you're a citizen of another country and how long it takes? A simpler one, what about a work permit? How long does it take and how difficult is it?
Let's consider this:
1. Hisao enters Yamaku during early summer, so it is safe to assume that all storyline takes place during the particular season.
2.The end of Lilly's timeline extends to the end of summer--possibly to early fall (based on the CG art of the epilogue).
3. The little field trip with Lilly and Hanako takes likely takes place during summer vacation. In Japan, summer vacation lasts from late July to early September lasting about 2 weeks.
4. Lilly's parents demanded their daughters to return to Scotland possibly during late summer, to which they tried to comply near the end of the season (but failed to do so considering the incident at the airport).
5. Hisao is hospitalized. For how long, it's uncertain but most likely 1-2 weeks that leads up until the ending.
Now then, with that in consideration we go back to Akira's boyfriend problem again. By experience, obtaining a Visa takes approximately one month--two if the officer who works in the embassy is a douche. When Hisao left the hospital--assuming he is hospitalized for one week--the date of the ending could possibly be around early-mid September and let's say that there's an unexplained one-week gap in the story, that would total to about 2-3 weeks which is less than the regular time to obtain a visa (not to mention one that would let you stay there permanently or work there).
There is even less time available
if he's applying for permanent resident.
Okay, let's say he already has a visitor visa prior. Would he fly there back and forth and spend billions of yen for that sake? Not to mention he won't be able to stay permanently.
You see, there's a lot of unanswered question and 'surprise' solution that it almost seemed that the ending itself is a giant 'deus ex machina' that somehow eliminates all the problems and issues that exist in the final parts of the story either by causing you to forget it or not to consider it--don't get me started with the taxi ride.
At least it isn't as big as the god-child from ME-universe--that drove me into rage. Thank Bioware for that extended DLC and closure, though it still left a bitter taste.
Why can't they do that the first time before the airport scene?
Nothing ever said they couldn't. They just didn't
. Maybe she just needed Hisao and Lilly to show her that love can over come all obstacles, or maybe the extra time she had in Japan waiting for Hisao at the hospital gave her more time to think it over.
This satisfies my question, so I won't iterate it any further.
Though refer to the above post about 'the boyfriend problem'.
Yes. I know you were joking. You've tell the exact same joke constantly and wasn't funny the first time.
"The real ending is stupid. It ends happily and that isn't realistic. My ending is much better. Hisao dies horribly. Aren't I funny?"
And if you think I'm being too hostile, just pretend I stuck a couple of smilie faces in this post somewhere.
Buddy, did I ever say that my ending is much better? I don't think so. I just happen to say 'the ending is silly', but you just so happen to interpret it that way and swallow it like a bitter medicine then complain about it. It is a running joke after all--similar to how some people scream 'OMG Hisao raped Hanako', in case you're wondering.
Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat?
It's almost the same as how we interpret the ending. Let's say that the 'box' is the ending and the 'cat' is Hisao.
In one 'box', the 'cat' lives which gives us the canon ending. In another 'box', the 'cat' died which spawned that fun little fan-theory you're so fixated to eliminate.
Is the 'cat' alive and dead at the same time? Yes, it is (if we consider parallel universe theories and whatnot--I won't bother you on that subject)
So is the idea that Hisao is dead in the ending wrong? Nope. How about if he's alive? Nope. Both are correct and it falls in the range of how different people interpret the ending, to which in this case you're familiar what I interpret it as humorously. I believe I've posted about how I came up with it in the first place...
of course, you're free to see it as the happy ending. No one's stopping you in the first place, so here's that flashy-thing again
Also, canonically, that bitch totally works for the mafia.
Which actually provides a much eye-popping revelation to Hisao post-epilogue.
good God, now I really want a KS After-story or something close...