All ages version?

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Re: All ages version?

Post by EvilDragon » Sun May 10, 2009 2:00 pm

I'd have an H version, thank you very much.

And since it's made outside of Japan, with no mosaics either. Or keep it as a switch in the options.

Oh, and I'd like a full-on /h/ feel, not /e/ :P At least once we could have the chance of everything being visible, why ruining it?

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Vertical » Sun May 10, 2009 2:13 pm

Yeah, the more I read, the more I gotta ask: Is it just a matter of time before some law maker in my (respective) country notices the 800 pound gorilla in the room? Or some law enforcement official, or DA issues a subpoena?

These are real concerns wherever the dler is. I don't have to look far to see cases of law enforcment coming down on people in America who posess materials similar to what will be the final product of Katawa Shoujo. Take the case of that guy in Iowa, let me find a link... here we go: CLICK HERE. Found it at Anime News Net.

I donated some money to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund on this one because the grey area on which these prosecutors were so readily going to imprison a man was just unacceptable in my mind.

At any rate, I don't expect the staff to change their decision. They've made their case. Hopefully, this will never get the ear of some zealo t.
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Re: All ages version?

Post by Rednal » Sun May 10, 2009 2:22 pm

Hmm... well, at least the Judge did rule against those two clauses, which is a strong bonus to all of us, and there is no real ability to make a case that Katawa Shoujo lacks literary or artistic value or happens to be patently offensive. It ISN'T an "Ooh, cripple, rape!" sort of game, after all. So in America, at least, we're probably fine. Ditto for Japan, though for somewhat different reasons.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Khaos » Sun May 10, 2009 2:45 pm

Another point, what about the developers? I don't know where they are living, but I guess some of them live in one of those countries with such hard laws.
What if one of the artists who drew such an H-scene could suddenly be drawn to court?
What about the other people involved in the making, could they be charged as well?
I don't know if I'm being paranoid, but I think this is a serious issue, and I rather have a finished game without explicit pictures than no game at all...
...so that's why I'm trying to figure out if there is something I need to figure out and then figure that out before it's too late and all hope is lost.
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Re: All ages version?

Post by BcDed » Sun May 10, 2009 4:33 pm

I'm inclined to think no prosecution could be brought against the katawa shoujo developers, especially since they don't use their real names. The project as a whole could never be outright banned as it doesn't belong to any one country since the devs are from multiple countries, and though if they were found theoretically one of the developers could probably be prosecuted I doubt it would get very far. Though I don't exactly have intimate knowledge of the law I'm inclined to believe they are ok.
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Re: All ages version?

Post by EvilDragon » Sun May 10, 2009 4:33 pm

BcDed wrote:Though I don't exactly have intimate knowledge of the law I'm inclined to believe they are ok.
And you are right!

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Kilvoctu » Sun May 10, 2009 11:59 pm

Xevo wrote:
Guest wrote:not everyone plays VNs for the hentai
They don't? :shock: *dies from shock*
I'm one, as explained in a previous post of mine. Sorry to inadvertently kill you.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Rozen » Tue May 12, 2009 3:01 am

Khaos wrote:
Jo-ou wrote:Sex scenes written for maximum emotional impact and not simply jacking off would add to the experience, not detract from it.
True.
I have faith in the producers that they have enough sensitivity (which they already showed in the demo) to make those intimate scenes emotional, aesthetic and beautiful, which means, more tasteful than 99% of all existing hentai crap.
Close-ups of genitals, girls crying when fucked, awkward sexual positions or camera angles, litres of body fluids, those are the things that would ruin the game completely.
This game does not need "sex scenes" or "H-scenes", it needs "love scenes", if you catch my drift.
agreed. "Love scenes" would make a lot more sense. Make the H in this game artistic and flow smoothly with the plot or not at all. But ya, like has been said, I'm think the writers will do fine.

Also, a LOT of american media has sex in it, I'm almost surprised how heated this topic is. Although I personally prefer not to have porn in my games as long as the H doesn't feel tacked on go for it.

There is a fine line between between a passionate love scene and base and boring pron. But there *is* a line and I think the writers are talented enough to make real quality love scenes that wont detract from the quality of the game.

I'm surprised that this is all being done for free.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Guest » Tue May 12, 2009 1:03 pm

Lattyware wrote: I'd like to see sources on that. I do hate the way the country is going, but I don't think there are any laws (yet) that would make a VN such as this illegal. Either way. I live in the UK, and will be playing this game, full stop.

For those who are going tl;dr: [Citation Needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_stat ... ing_minors

I know Wikipedia isn't fact, but the amount of references the article has pretty much disagrees.

You may be playing the game, full stop. But then afterwards you may look at a heavy fine, time in jail, and your name in the sex offender's register.

I'd love to play this game as well. However, our country sucks, and plans on making our lives that little bit less free and dull. Just to put it into perspective, this law would make things like Family Guy, South Park, and Watchmen illegal. Even the Simpsons could be banned.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by SABAN » Tue May 12, 2009 1:16 pm

I don't think people that don't usually play VNs and/or surf the internet for hentai of all sorts would be interested in playing a game where you can date cripples.

A lot of people will probably find the game as offensive and ban it for various reasons, whether or not it has porn in it.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Khaos » Tue May 12, 2009 1:39 pm

There's on important point I'm interested in:
Is the (tasteful) depiction of a sexual act without explicitely showing any genitals considerd pornography?
As far as I know, porn is defined by explicitely showing erected penises, vaginas, etc, so it would be no pornography.
So, if the persons depicted were minors, would it then be considered pornography while it's not when they were adults?

Also the ages of the protagonists aren't given, they could as well be 18 or 19...
...so that's why I'm trying to figure out if there is something I need to figure out and then figure that out before it's too late and all hope is lost.
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Re: All ages version?

Post by SABAN » Tue May 12, 2009 2:32 pm

Khaos wrote:There's on important point I'm interested in:
Is the (tasteful) depiction of a sexual act without explicitely showing any genitals considerd pornography?
As far as I know, porn is defined by explicitely showing erected penises, vaginas, etc, so it would be no pornography.
So, if the persons depicted were minors, would it then be considered pornography while it's not when they were adults?

Also the ages of the protagonists aren't given, they could as well be 18 or 19...
Definitions of words matters not, people will have differing opinions

I can make a beautiful drawing of a lady that many people call art and there will still be one of those really annoying people that babbles about morality, children, yadda-yadda-yadda.

The worst thing about it is they can actually sue and win if they find a judge that's as bad as them.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Guest » Tue May 12, 2009 2:36 pm

Khaos wrote:There's on important point I'm interested in:
Is the (tasteful) depiction of a sexual act without explicitely showing any genitals considerd pornography?
As far as I know, porn is defined by explicitely showing erected penises, vaginas, etc, so it would be no pornography.
So, if the persons depicted were minors, would it then be considered pornography while it's not when they were adults?

Also the ages of the protagonists aren't given, they could as well be 18 or 19...
Any sexual act involving a minor, or any sexual act in the presence of a minor will be banned. Also, a minor counts for anyone who could be considered underage, meaning as long as they are flat chested or look cute, someone can see them as underage and so 'underage'. Basically, the entire cast, bar maybe Lilly, could be seen as underage.

Fuck you, England. Fuck you.

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Re: All ages version?

Post by Khaos » Tue May 12, 2009 2:53 pm

Guest wrote: Any sexual act involving a minor, or any sexual act in the presence of a minor will be banned. Also, a minor counts for anyone who could be considered underage, meaning as long as they are flat chested or look cute, someone can see them as underage and so 'underage'. Basically, the entire cast, bar maybe Lilly, could be seen as underage.

Fuck you, England. Fuck you.
Same here in Germany...porn industry took the law to court because it's discriminating young looking porn actresses.
Haven't heard anything new however.
...so that's why I'm trying to figure out if there is something I need to figure out and then figure that out before it's too late and all hope is lost.
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Re: All ages version?

Post by The annoying guest whom doth bring the ill news » Tue May 12, 2009 3:04 pm

Sigh

Sometimes I ask, what happened to freedom? Who gets harmed from 'cartoon pornography'?

When you actually think of the pros and cons of it, there aren't that many cons.

Those non-government groups were trying to get Japan on board with the banning of underage hentai. Japan just laughed at them. Makes sense, seeing a large portion of their economy relies upon it, and most of their citizens would be in jail otherwise.

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