Lilly's Blindness

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Totz the Plaid » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:36 am

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Guest Poster wrote:Who cares? Personally, I don't think not having the exact cause of Lilly's blindness (be it a birth defect or anything else) detracts from the game or story in any way. "Blind since birth" is enough for me.
I think it makes a difference in the believability of the writing. Someone who's NEVER seen anything has a very different concept of the world, whereas someone who saw for the first few years of their life will continue to reason to some degree in terms of images, and recognise certain ideas by appearance. Trying to explain a sunset or rainbow for example.
You don't think the Devs would've kept that in mind? Oh, ye of little faith...
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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Guest » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:18 pm

Ah, I do, it's just really really hard :)

Trying to write autistics is similar difficult since they can have such a vastly different frame of reference.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by ContinualNaba » Wed May 04, 2011 5:40 am

I gotta wonder if she can see in shades of grey (Able to vaguely differentiate shapes, but not form, velocity or colour) or is just straight blackity-black.

Remember accidentally making a big faux-pas with a fully blind girl. She was fine until I started talking about the colour of the school field ('Always a lovely green after a good rain').

I really don't like making girls cry, and that was no exception.
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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Totz the Plaid » Wed May 04, 2011 7:29 am

ContinualNaba wrote:I gotta wonder if she can see in shades of grey (Able to vaguely differentiate shapes, but not form, velocity or colour) or is just straight blackity-black.
I've gotta assume that it's just pitch blackness since she didn't notice the fact that the sun was setting during the first tea room scene. If she were able to sense light like you suggest, then she would've picked up on it.
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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Suriko » Wed May 04, 2011 8:19 am

Lilly's completely, 100% blind from birth due to a genetic defect. She's never had any form of sight.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Dollywitch » Wed May 04, 2011 6:26 pm

Totz the Plaid wrote:
ContinualNaba wrote:I gotta wonder if she can see in shades of grey (Able to vaguely differentiate shapes, but not form, velocity or colour) or is just straight blackity-black.
I've gotta assume that it's just pitch blackness since she didn't notice the fact that the sun was setting during the first tea room scene. If she were able to sense light like you suggest, then she would've picked up on it.
Yeah, a lot of blind people are still light sensitive, and can tell what time of day it is to an extent, or possibly if a large object is moving in front of them.

To be honest I think I'd find it hard to relate to someone who's been blind all their lives. There's so much I couldn't talk about, from anime and manga, to the beauty of nature. It's very sad. That said I'd find it hard to relate to a deaf person too since music is so important to me. The more "physical" disabilities like with Emi and Rin look more shocking but aren't really a big deal in terms of that, they can adapt.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Rocket Royal » Thu May 05, 2011 12:00 am

Regarding the creepy, I would say the idea of the word, the connotation, is very negative. Saying you are creeped out is a slight but singificant difference. Our minds instantly utilize shape recognition, so much that 0_0 appears to resemble a face to some degree even though it is very far from reality. As human beings we identify face with personhood. The removal of an eye to us would register differently than a missing limb, as we'd recognize their outline faintly. An altered sillhouette wouldn't cause you to react as much for most people.

Calling IT creepy rather than YOU feeling creeped puts the blame on the different person and portrays them negatively. If we can tolerate a person's kneejerk reaction, we could accept the feeling. Remember there's nothing wrong with them, except their eye.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Totz the Plaid » Thu May 05, 2011 3:54 am

Rocket Royal wrote:Calling IT creepy rather than YOU feeling creeped puts the blame on the different person and portrays them negatively. If we can tolerate a person's kneejerk reaction, we could accept the feeling. Remember there's nothing wrong with them, except their eye.
Exactly. I personally disagree with the creepiness aspect of that as a whole (though I do admit that I find it gross, mostly for the fact that it's an empty eye socket, all sorts of nerves and stuff right in there mostly unobscured and I've got a weak stomach for that sort of thing), but there's a BIG difference between saying "that's creepy" and saying "I find that creepy"/"that creeps me out".
Dollywitch wrote:To be honest I think I'd find it hard to relate to someone who's been blind all their lives. There's so much I couldn't talk about, from anime and manga, to the beauty of nature. It's very sad. That said I'd find it hard to relate to a deaf person too since music is so important to me. The more "physical" disabilities like with Emi and Rin look more shocking but aren't really a big deal in terms of that, they can adapt.
Agreed on both aspects. I mean, I'd adjust and get along fine with them, but I'm sure it'd be hard at times to manage conversation since sometimes I just need to talk about something that's purely visual or purely auditory.
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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Guest » Mon May 09, 2011 9:42 am

I always thought Hanako should have been the one given the glass eye and not Lilly. I mean getting half your face burned off is bound to cause more problems than a few welts and skin pigmentation issues, besides she keeps that half of her face covered by hair anyway.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by scott1and » Mon May 09, 2011 11:37 am

Guest wrote:I always thought Hanako should have been the one given the glass eye and not Lilly. I mean getting half your face burned off is bound to cause more problems than a few welts and skin pigmentation issues, besides she keeps that half of her face covered by hair anyway.

That may be, but if you look at the 100% CG at the end of the game you can in fact see Hanako's right eye, and word of God says its real.
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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by G3n0c1de » Mon May 09, 2011 7:52 pm

Guest wrote:I always thought Hanako should have been the one given the glass eye and not Lilly. I mean getting half your face burned off is bound to cause more problems than a few welts and skin pigmentation issues, besides she keeps that half of her face covered by hair anyway.
I completely agree. The level of damage to her face should have been severe enough to burn her eye. Having it replaced with a glass eye that looks exactly like her undamaged eye would have worked. But yeah, they both work fine.
It's a good thing Shizune is deaf, she is the only one who can stand (not) hearing "Wahaha~!" over and over.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Rocket Royal » Tue May 10, 2011 10:48 am

Did you see the Dark Knight? Her eye could look like Harvey Dent, aka Twoface.

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Re: Lilly's Blindness

Post by Wreckusu » Tue May 10, 2011 7:13 pm

G3n0c1de wrote:
Guest wrote:I always thought Hanako should have been the one given the glass eye and not Lilly. I mean getting half your face burned off is bound to cause more problems than a few welts and skin pigmentation issues, besides she keeps that half of her face covered by hair anyway.
I completely agree. The level of damage to her face should have been severe enough to burn her eye. Having it replaced with a glass eye that looks exactly like her undamaged eye would have worked. But yeah, they both work fine.
It's hard to tell how severe the burn damage is to that part of her face (after all there's very little released official art that shows her right eye), for all we know the burns could be more extensive to her cheek than the upper part of her face. It's also entirely possible that her eyelid protected her eye from any permanent damage.

Moving on to Lillys eyes I like the fogginess as a stylistic choice but I'm glad it was toned down when Raide took over as her artist. The previous version just made her eyes look glassy and eerily empty (like the lights are on but no one's home sort of look).
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