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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Rocket Royal » Thu May 05, 2011 3:51 am

So I guess you prefer the chocolate? I don't blame you. I might not have said it so clearly, but the fact she was there and so persistant, even when you wanted to take other routes, was a downer.

Also, something like sand paper sprinkles or sandpaper chunk would work.

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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Shujoxa » Thu May 05, 2011 2:53 pm

Totz the Plaid wrote:You may think of Shizune as "vanilla" but until her path actually appears toward the end of Act 1, she was grating, mean, manipulative, controlling, and just would not leave you alone. What flavor would that be? Sandpaper? It may not exist (or even make sense), but as far as ice cream flavors go, Shizune was like eating sandpaper. True, all of that was still there by the end, but it's the OTHER side of her that made her appealing, while the rest made me "hate" her until then.
Everyone has off-putting qualities at first, it's a wall of sorts...except Emi, which is a leap way too far in the other direction imo, as she is way too annoyingly jumping all up-in-your-face energetic and happy and carefree and whatnot. I don't think any of the girls wanted Hisao to like them, or at least, didn't care whether he did or not, and thus either didn't make much effort to befriend him or went out of their way to try not to (again, except for Emi).

And with Shizune, her flaws in the beginning of Act1 are multiplied because she has to do all of her talking through Misha, who is just as grating and all of those things, only she's a lot louder about it (obviously) and doesn't use it as a wall, that's just how she is. I noticed that a lot of Shizune's better qualities came out in the 2 or 3 scenes when Misha wasn't around. So while I can't deny (even though I'd like to) that Shizune can have some less than pleasant moments, I don't think it's really her, not entirely at least. Once Hisao learns sign language I think he and Shizune will connect a lot better and we'll see a lot more of the good side you were talking about.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by bradpara » Fri May 06, 2011 12:46 am

Shujoxa wrote:Everyone has off-putting qualities at first, it's a wall of sorts...except Emi, which is a leap way too far in the other direction imo, as she is way too annoyingly jumping all up-in-your-face energetic and happy and carefree and whatnot. I don't think any of the girls wanted Hisao to like them, or at least, didn't care whether he did or not, and thus either didn't make much effort to befriend him or went out of their way to try not to (again, except for Emi).

And with Shizune, her flaws in the beginning of Act1 are multiplied because she has to do all of her talking through Misha, who is just as grating and all of those things, only she's a lot louder about it (obviously) and doesn't use it as a wall, that's just how she is. I noticed that a lot of Shizune's better qualities came out in the 2 or 3 scenes when Misha wasn't around. So while I can't deny (even though I'd like to) that Shizune can have some less than pleasant moments, I don't think it's really her, not entirely at least. Once Hisao learns sign language I think he and Shizune will connect a lot better and we'll see a lot more of the good side you were talking about.
I think alot of Shizune's personality stems from the fact that she is an extermely driven young woman who is at the same time, dependant on others for baisic communcation. This must be a very frustrating situation for her. I suspect that as we go down her path and Hisao learned to communicate with her, we will se more of her dere-dere side and probably even some vunerablity from her. Part of me is wonder if prehaps we might see Shizune just break down and cry for some reason during her path. I have a feeling that she is probably holding alot of insecurities back.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Shujoxa » Fri May 06, 2011 1:34 am

bradpara wrote:I think alot of Shizune's personality stems from the fact that she is an extermely driven young woman who is at the same time, dependant on others for baisic communcation. This must be a very frustrating situation for her. I suspect that as we go down her path and Hisao learned to communicate with her, we will se more of her dere-dere side and probably even some vunerablity from her. Part of me is wonder if prehaps we might see Shizune just break down and cry for some reason during her path. I have a feeling that she is probably holding alot of insecurities back.
Probably. Actually, you know, now that I think about it, (and I'm not just saying this because I don't like Misha) Misha might be the source of some of those insecurities. Before the Misha fanboys jump me through the internet, hear me out. Misha is her crutch, basically, pretty much her only way of communicating with others. When you have to depend on something like that, sometimes you realize that without it you're completely SOL. What if that bothers her? She obviously has a softer side, (If she were really the cold hard bitch we saw at the start, she wouldn't be cuddling with a cat plushie at the end of act one) so if she has been holding insecurities back, which is highly possible, now that you mention it, there's also at least a partial chance that, albeit unintentional, Misha is the source of some of those insecurities. (Which would probably mean Shizune's happier ending(s) would involve Hisao helping her come to peace with it, or however you want to word it.)
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Roy-Kr » Fri May 06, 2011 3:48 pm

Shujoxa wrote:Misha is her crutch, basically, pretty much her only way of communicating with others. When you have to depend on something like that, sometimes you realize that without it you're completely SOL.
She can write, Misha is just a convenience.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Shujoxa » Fri May 06, 2011 4:19 pm

Roy-Kr wrote:
Shujoxa wrote:Misha is her crutch, basically, pretty much her only way of communicating with others. When you have to depend on something like that, sometimes you realize that without it you're completely SOL.
She can write, Misha is just a convenience.
True, but strangely in the KS universe it seems a person's easier to carry around than a pen and paper.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Darlat » Fri May 06, 2011 5:30 pm

Shujoxa wrote:
Roy-Kr wrote:
Shujoxa wrote:Misha is her crutch, basically, pretty much her only way of communicating with others. When you have to depend on something like that, sometimes you realize that without it you're completely SOL.
She can write, Misha is just a convenience.
True, but strangely in the KS universe it seems a person's easier to carry around than a pen and paper.
In fiction, a sword the size of three hundred galaxies right after eachother can be easier to carry than a pen and paper.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Napalm » Fri May 06, 2011 6:07 pm

Shujoxa wrote:
Roy-Kr wrote:
Shujoxa wrote:Misha is her crutch, basically, pretty much her only way of communicating with others. When you have to depend on something like that, sometimes you realize that without it you're completely SOL.
She can write, Misha is just a convenience.
True, but strangely in the KS universe it seems a person's easier to carry around than a pen and paper.
Well, yeah, but you just can't sneak out of a restaurant and leave a pen and paper to pay.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by T-Anon » Fri May 06, 2011 6:55 pm

Napalm wrote:
Shujoxa wrote:
Roy-Kr wrote: She can write, Misha is just a convenience.
True, but strangely in the KS universe it seems a person's easier to carry around than a pen and paper.
Well, yeah, but you just can't sneak out of a restaurant and leave a pen and paper to pay.
So then she is convenient.

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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Bringerof_D » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:55 am

Although i agree the shizune ending is the best one i feel thats an unfair advantage in the writing.

I am still faithfully a Hanako man. Shizune just seems to have the best written route and as of the Chapter 1 ending has the most theatrical one. She scored pretty well on my list though being 2nd immediately after Hanako. It's mostly based on my taste for characters anyways.
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Martin Crunty » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:04 am

> Your face when Shizune dies in Act 2 and it's actually the Misha path the devs are always uncomfortable talking about beyond vague excuses that Raita did not include her

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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Silentcook » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:52 am

Martin Crunty wrote:> Your face when Shizune dies in Act 2 and it's actually the Misha path the devs are always uncomfortable talking about beyond vague excuses that Raita did not include her
Well shit, time to rewrite again. :?

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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Yonowaaru » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:17 pm

All this is moot anyways when it turns out you guys all suck so bad at making good choices you end up at the 'Manly Picnic 2.0' with Kenji in the end even though you were fighting for your girls. If Katawa Shoujo is anything like the real world, that is.

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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by Bringerof_D » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:26 pm

Yonowaaru wrote:All this is moot anyways when it turns out you guys all suck so bad at making good choices you end up at the 'Manly Picnic 2.0' with Kenji in the end even though you were fighting for your girls. If Katawa Shoujo is anything like the real world, that is.
it cant be like real life, that's why we're here because it's not real life. real life sucks! it is badly written and the flags are obscure!
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Re: Damn You Shizune

Post by bintoy » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:23 pm

Red_Machine wrote:I'm more attracted to Misha, personally.
So that's two in the Misha Camp on this thread? :lol: when the final game's released, I'd play the game like I'm trying to go down the Misha path. Then I'd go for Hanako on my retry if I find out the devs were saying the unblemished truth about no Misha path. :cry:

Or hey, a thought just came to me now, could they have designed Misha to be the 'no-strings-attached' character? Though I'd feel bad to make my character make love to her then end up with another. sounds like cheating, and cheating is so not my thing.
griffon8 wrote:In both Lilly's and Hanako's paths, Hanako needs to lose her dependence on Lilly.
When you go down Hanako's path, she'd most probably lose dependence on Lilly. Even without mention of any religion, nature's designed to have man & woman together, to be the best tandem ever. So anyway, since you(Hisao) would probably the only manly figure ever since Hanako's pap died in the fire, and I think Hisao's going to look obvious that he likes Hanako, she would so be all over you.

and also on the account of whose endings were the best, ever heard of the 5 Love Languages? (Time, Touch, Gifts, Service and Words of Affirmation) I believe it's also subjective on to who's got the best ending. I found playing chess in a quiet room with Hanako very romantic. And the promise of time with Lilly's ending seemed like a commitment to take care of Hanako together. like a pair of parents.

o and have you noticed we all got titles of damning Shizune. :shock:
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