Gratz on ver. 3

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Csihar » Sun May 16, 2010 8:03 pm

Aura wrote:The focusless look of an actual blind is hard to portray in anime art because anime characters always have a vague, soulless look in their eyes. Eyes that look like they have cataract is a rather widely used visual shorthand for "blind person here" in all kinds of media (even when technically incorrect). Here are some real blind kids: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/182/blinds.gif
I might be stating the obvious here, but another reason to use a cataract-like effect is that the alternative - drawing the eyes like the kids in that picture's are - can't translate into animation as anything but comedy. I'm thinking of the bird from Toradora here (not blind, just disturbingly googly-eyed). Whether that perception is right or wrong doesn't really matter, because that reaction is pretty much unavoidable from the average person.

tl;dr Realistically unfocused eyes are not moe. Lack of sparklies on eyes is still moe.
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Anajamois » Sun May 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Lilly is different?

...I don't see it. Care to compare the sprites?

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Suriko » Sun May 16, 2010 8:27 pm

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Anajamois » Sun May 16, 2010 8:31 pm

Suriko wrote:lillyeyes.png
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Caesius » Sun May 16, 2010 10:16 pm

I guess the solid blue oval is less obvious with the sparklies. I mean I knew it was there before, but I just kinda forgot about it and when thinking about what they did to make her eyes look "deader" I immediately assumed the solid oval had something to do with it.

Either way I think her eyes could be improved while still looking "dead" if the oval didn't stick out as a solid color.
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by DovK » Mon May 17, 2010 2:37 am

I have to say, Lilly never really looked blind before, but the faux-cataracts fixed that very nicely. Rather ingenious, really.

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by 40% » Mon May 17, 2010 11:11 am

Thanks for the info on Lilly, guys. Glad to know she got something new in v3 too, even if it's minor.

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Ah, just wild heaven » Tue May 18, 2010 1:31 am

I noticed very subtle but really nice touch ups, congrats on the version 3 guys, keep up the good work~!
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by SirMax » Thu May 20, 2010 9:14 am

Before I go into my discussion on what I think of the new Emi sprites, I'd just like to add that this is just my opinion and I recognise that. It's not me demanding the devs fit it to my specifications, it's just honest feedback.

First off, the new CG (here; it's a bit too large to just post)
Overall I understand the new direction with the different colour blade cups and the bandages, but I preferred it the other way. It just seemed more natural for them to be flesh coloured, making them purple makes them look at lot more plastic to me. That's really just pettiness, though. The thing that really bugs me about the new CG is the expression. Something about the eyebrows mixed with the smile makes it seem a little... I guess sarcastic? As long as we're on the CG, note the length of the bloomers.

Next, the puppy dog eyes sprite.
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This is one of my least favourite sprites. I think it's the darkening around the eyes, but in this sprite I always think Emi is wearing too much eyeshadow or something, and it makes it less "adorable pouting puppy" and more "sulky tart", which doesn't really seem to fit the character as much.

Moving on, the blushing sprite
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This one's adorable, and one of the best displays of what I like about the new sprite design. However, notice the bloomer length. It's a bit of an odd complaint, but they seem to have gotten a lot more like underwear since the last version, and even since the CG.

Winking/Eyes closed sprites
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It's been mentioned before, but the eyebrows look a bit sketchy and out of the style.

Frowny sprite
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This is my second favourite sprite of her new set, it's adorable.

Other blushing sprite
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The blush looks a little odd and there's the eyebrows thing, but otherwise nice.

Smiling sprite
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This is my favourite of the new sprites. I really think it's adorable.

So overall I really like the redesign, it's just a couple of the sprites that sort of bug me.
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Kota » Thu May 20, 2010 11:29 am

The sketchiness is pretty jarring in those winking/closed eye sprites, especially in close ups, but overall it's a decent sprite set.
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Caesius » Thu May 20, 2010 11:36 am

SirMax wrote:ImageImage
This is one of my least favourite sprites. I think it's the darkening around the eyes, but in this sprite I always think Emi is wearing too much eyeshadow or something, and it makes it less "adorable pouting puppy" and more "sulky tart", which doesn't really seem to fit the character as much.
I actually love that sprite and it's my personal favorite out of the ones you posted. I'm more inclined to play v3 now. Also for the rest of your post the word you were looking for was "eyelashes," not "eyebrows."
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Xybaro » Thu May 20, 2010 12:20 pm

SirMax wrote: ImageImage
This is awesome.

Best sprite of Emi in my opinion, makes me want to actually like her.
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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by DovK » Thu May 20, 2010 12:40 pm

SirMax wrote: ImageImage
I readily admit, jaw met floor seeing that sprite for the first time. Emi never looked so HOT DAYUM.

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Smoku » Thu May 20, 2010 1:30 pm

By eye brow don't you rather mean eye lash?
Aren't eye brows above the eyes (which IMO looks here totally normal) and eye lashes are really really close to the eyes, actually surrounding it (which here looks sketchy)?

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Re: Gratz on ver. 3

Post by Member22 » Thu May 20, 2010 1:33 pm

Kota wrote:The sketchiness is pretty jarring in those winking/closed eye sprites
I agree, it is definitely an improvement to the previous sprite set, it makes her look much more mature and her expressions more pronounced (except for the puppy-eye expression), but the sketchiness slightly mars the whole thing on a reality point of view. But could this be some kind of reference/nod to Riata's original drawing style?
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