The extent of Rin's independence.

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by DESU » Sun May 02, 2010 6:12 pm

Smoku wrote:I really can't imagine Rin doing all those stuff alone, but then again I also seen a long time ago a document about a handless woman in America living practically normally. She even could get stuff from pretty high shelves in a shop with her feet, which was pretty amazing.

But still Rin won't build a castle from a card deck.
or... would she?
well it could be possible. people usually develop fine motor control in their arms, because rin lacks arms and uses her feet for everything, she would have developed fine motor control in her legs and feet.
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Shades of Grey » Sun May 02, 2010 6:39 pm

I think the point that Aura is trying to make is that Rin is self sufficient. That is to say, she does not need any special help doing her daily activities and she can do them all alone. Certainly, she may ask Emi for help with things occasionally, but no more than a normal person and not out of necessity but out of convenience. Yes, Run Out Groove, as a social being in social world, she is not completely independent and she cannot live completely isolated from any other human, but this line of reasoning is rather ridiculous. From a practical stand point, she is no more needy or dependent on anyone than a normal person and, as such, is not dependent.
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by kosherbacon » Sun May 02, 2010 6:44 pm

I'm under the impression that Emi does help Rin out with a lot of stuff not so much because her assistance is really needed but because Rin lets her since they're friends.

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Extremist_Line » Sun May 02, 2010 6:53 pm

kosherbacon wrote:I'm under the impression that Emi does help Rin out with a lot of stuff not so much because her assistance is really needed but because Rin lets her since they're friends.
Either that or an excuse for yuri. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :mrgreen:
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Shockproof Jamo » Sun May 02, 2010 6:56 pm

Layzuhl wrote:In the name of SCIENCE I am be pleased to announce that my experiment to put on my pants without using my arms was a success.
Okay. How did you do it?

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Aura » Sun May 02, 2010 7:12 pm

Run Out Groove wrote:wouldn't she have to rely on Emi for that task until she finds a way to do it herself?
No. You are still operating on the premise that Rin can't handle her daily life without help. She can. If it's something she has to do repeatedly, she most likely already knows how to do it, or it's something silly or insignificant (she for example is unable to peel oranges without making a mess. Toes are too short to handle the large spheroid easily. Why she hasn't practiced this, who knows. Maybe she doesn't like oranges?) If it's something new and surprising, she might ask anyone who happens to be around and that really can be anyone. Emi is not omnipresent like Misha seems to be to Shizune (mind, Shizune being literate makes her capable of communicating with non-signing people without a human translator too, in the case Misha has to return to her home planet or whatever.)

Re: the actual thread topic: Rin basically does something that looks more or less like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqvMZoUzPdY

Enjoy supar sekret KS developement reference material, straight outta Youtube. Anyway, as I said there are extremely few, if any things that are completely impossible. Rin and other people without hands just need to approach their daily life a little bit differently than the rest of us. Still, being able to work around her disability doesn't void it. Disability is disability, not inability.
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Smoku » Sun May 02, 2010 7:34 pm

True, she can do every basic stuff. Pretty educational.
And this solves some Rin mysteries.

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by KS Conspiracy Theorist » Sun May 02, 2010 7:45 pm

Aura wrote:(mind, Shizune being literate makes her capable of communicating with non-signing people without a human translator too, in the case Misha has to return to her home planet or whatever.)
So that's Misha's disability!

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Shockproof Jamo » Sun May 02, 2010 8:34 pm

Aura wrote:
Run Out Groove wrote:Re: the actual thread topic: Rin basically does something that looks more or less like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqvMZoUzPdY
Hot damn! :shock: That was impressive. Yes, I consider myself well educated now. Though she did "cheat" a bit by using that hook tool with the bra and jeans there. But quite impressive. Especially the part where she started driving the car. Hohoho, oh man. I have been truly ignorant.

This just leaves me wondering... She demonstrated excellent flexibility there. I wonder how badly old age affects that?

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Run Out Groove » Sun May 02, 2010 9:16 pm

Aura wrote:
Run Out Groove wrote:wouldn't she have to rely on Emi for that task until she finds a way to do it herself?
No. You are still operating on the premise that Rin can't handle her daily life without help. She can. If it's something she has to do repeatedly, she most likely already knows how to do it, or it's something silly or insignificant (she for example is unable to peel oranges without making a mess. Toes are too short to handle the large spheroid easily. Why she hasn't practiced this, who knows. Maybe she doesn't like oranges?) If it's something new and surprising, she might ask anyone who happens to be around and that really can be anyone. Emi is not omnipresent like Misha seems to be to Shizune (mind, Shizune being literate makes her capable of communicating with non-signing people without a human translator too, in the case Misha has to return to her home planet or whatever.)

Re: the actual thread topic: Rin basically does something that looks more or less like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqvMZoUzPdY

Enjoy supar sekret KS developement reference material, straight outta Youtube. Anyway, as I said there are extremely few, if any things that are completely impossible. Rin and other people without hands just need to approach their daily life a little bit differently than the rest of us. Still, being able to work around her disability doesn't void it. Disability is disability, not inability.
Thanks for clearing that up. Mind you, I do understand that disability does not mean inability, however, in Rin's case, I just really wasn't quite sure how. Although, now I am curious as to why Rin and Emi are placed together if neither of them truly need any help with daily living.

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by G3n0c1de » Sun May 02, 2010 10:00 pm

Run Out Groove wrote:Thanks for clearing that up. Mind you, I do understand that disability does not mean inability, however, in Rin's case, I just really wasn't quite sure how. Although, now I am curious as to why Rin and Emi are placed together if neither of them truly need any help with daily living.
Because they're friends?
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by kosherbacon » Sun May 02, 2010 10:24 pm

IIRC, it was a decision by the housing department.

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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Csihar » Sun May 02, 2010 10:31 pm

Well, regardless of whether they can do various things themselves or not, I'm sure a buddy system would still make life a bit easier. It's always nice when you've got somebody looking out for you, also.
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Member22 » Mon May 03, 2010 12:02 am

Csihar wrote:Well, regardless of whether they can do various things themselves or not, I'm sure a buddy system would still make life a bit easier. It's always nice when you've got somebody looking out for you, also.
I agree, but in terms of daily activities, I think she can live alone almost without trouble (provided she has the necessary equipment e.g specialized handles, brushes etc... but anyway, its nice to have a friend with you... but I also think that carrying things can potentially be slightly difficult for rin i.e a lunch tray, unless she has a lunch box/bag or something that she could sling around her shoulder.
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Re: The extent of Rin's independence.

Post by Layzuhl » Mon May 03, 2010 12:02 am

Shockproof Jamo wrote:
Layzuhl wrote:In the name of SCIENCE I am be pleased to announce that my experiment to put on my pants without using my arms was a success.
Okay. How did you do it?
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