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This has been driving me crazy...

Post by Ozymil » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:24 pm

So, being the uneducated-in-Japanese kind of person I am, I have to know: is it pronounced "Kuh-TAH-wah Shoe-joe" or "KAH-tuh-wah Sho-jo"?
Donnes-moi le chocolat, Hisao! Gib mir die Schokolade, Hisao! Dame el chocolate, Hisao! Dammi il cioccolato, Hisao! Ge mig choklad, Hisao! Giv mig chokolade, Hisao! 私にチョコレートを与える, 久夫! Daj mi czekoladę, Hisao! Geef me de chocola, Hisao! (Thanks for the Dutch ver. Leotrak) Bigyan mo ako ng chocolate, Hisao! Geef mij de chocolade, Hisao! Дайте мне шоколад, Хисао! Dá-me o chocolate, Hisao!

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Post by Pimmy » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:35 pm

Kah tah wah sho jo

also japanese doesn't regularly accent syllables

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Post by Aura » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:16 am

[ka̠ta̠ɰ͡β̞a̠ ɕo̞:zo̞]

the w and vowels are the hard part for native english speakers (I think), and yes each mora has equal stress, no accents anywhere.
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Post by toast » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:25 pm

I just kinda butcher it whichever way i feel at the time.
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Re: This has been driving me crazy...

Post by ever17 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:41 am

☆♥Aura♥☆ wrote:[ka̠ta̠ɰ͡β̞a̠ ɕo̞:zo̞]

the w and vowels are the hard part for native english speakers (I think), and yes each mora has equal stress, no accents anywhere.
So, does anyone even know how to read that sort of phonetic alphabet?

I think just saying "kah-tah-wa sho-jo with no stress on any syllables" is good enough ;P

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Post by Caesius » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:36 am

ever17 wrote:
☆♥Aura♥☆ wrote:[ka̠ta̠ɰ͡β̞a̠ ɕo̞:zo̞]

the w and vowels are the hard part for native english speakers (I think), and yes each mora has equal stress, no accents anywhere.
So, does anyone even know how to read that sort of phonetic alphabet?
The ɰ, β, and ɕ represent non-English sounds. I doubt there are many people that can produce every sound represented in IPA, let alone read them, so probably not.
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Post by Aura » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:49 am

The entire point of IPA is that they are universal and everyone can (potentially) pronounce them. If you say "pronounce it like kah-tah-wah", people whose native language is not english and even people speaking various dialects of English will not pronounce it like you'd think. That's why it's not a good idea.
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Post by G3n0c1de » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:16 am

The problem is that the Joe Average probably can't pronounce things using the IPA, or like me, haven't even heard of it.
It's a good thing Shizune is deaf, she is the only one who can stand (not) hearing "Wahaha~!" over and over.

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Post by Aura » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:31 am

Yeah but on the internet it's not a problem, due to the power of google and wikipedia. In face to face conversations it's obviously quite unnecessary, unless all participants have an interest in linguistics.
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Post by EternalLurker » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:30 am

Um...In face-to-face conversation how would you spell in IPA anyway? o_O

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Post by Aura » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:11 am

In a face-to-face conversation you can actually pronounce words as an example, that should be simplest. The individual IPA can't be spelled, but they have names that you can refer to, like the ɕ from shoujo is called alveolo-palatal fricative and the o in japanese is a "mid back rounded vowel". Not very useful for a casual conversation though.
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Post by EternalLurker » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:34 pm

Well, yeah, you can describe the sounds as my brother loves to do (even in casual conversation; he's a hobbyist linguist, or used to be, inspired by LotR). I just considered that to be "describing the sounds" rather than "naming IPA letters", I guess. A bit of a chicken-and-egg thing, which potentially has a real answer that I could look up if I weren't currently feeling extraordinarily lazy even by my own standards. I'll probably do so after this week of tests.

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Post by Gash » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:54 am

Whats the translated version?

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