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Mary Sue

Post by Tooltip » Sun May 17, 2009 6:06 am

First I want to say that they game is awesome, I really didn't expect an indi project to turn like this.
That aside, I do have a little...offensive question. Is Lilly a Mary Sue? She does seem to match the description ( blindness aside ), but will she always be like that, or is there anything more to her then that? Or am I just thick?

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Guest » Sun May 17, 2009 6:17 am

What in hell happened to the good old days where Mary Sue were words that actually held meaning and purpose? It feels like people just chuck it around these days to describe anything they don't like.

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Guest » Sun May 17, 2009 6:25 am

Well sure, it might seem that way in the demo, but really I'd wait for the full game before saying anything of that sort.

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Envy » Sun May 17, 2009 7:28 am

Tooltip wrote:Is Lilly a Mary Sue?
I don't think you know what a Mary Sue is.

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Layzuhl » Sun May 17, 2009 8:01 am

I didn't get that impression. What makes you think she's a mary sue?

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Tooltip » Sun May 17, 2009 8:22 am

Layzuhl wrote:I didn't get that impression. What makes you think she's a mary sue?
Nah...seems like I'm ignorant.
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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Vertical » Sun May 17, 2009 11:32 am

Evidence against:

1)Lilly's heated argument with Shizune/Misha. You'll notice her temperment is very defensive.
1a) ...and Lilly's reaction if you don't take her side

2) How Lilly handled relying on Hisao when they were shopping.

3) Lilly's mood around Rin in the scene where Hisao joins her for shopping. Her rhythm is sabotaged everytime Rin opens her mouth.
3a) And Lilly's confession to this point at the scene's end. Proves she isn't comfortable talking to just anyone.

4) Doesn't try to hide her emotions when stress enters the equation. Proves she is human when problems arise, but has the capacity not to project when it's affecting her (for instance the noodle stand during the School Festival).

5)I think it was established either in-game or in-forum that she was raised in a Catholic school, which would be strict about etiquette.

Anybody feel free to add to this.
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Re: Mary Sue

Post by tyren » Sun May 17, 2009 12:46 pm

Vertical wrote:5)I think it was established either in-game or in-forum that she was raised in a Catholic school, which would be strict about etiquette.
I know she said in-game that she went to a strict private school, I don't recall it being called a Catholic school.

Just being nitpicky. :P

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by stranger » Sun May 17, 2009 1:08 pm

Also doesn't the fanfic definition state that Mary Sues always get the protagonist and/or hawtest guy? That certainly doesn't have to happen.
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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Tooltip » Sun May 17, 2009 3:17 pm

Vertical wrote:Evidence against:

1)Lilly's heated argument with Shizune/Misha. You'll notice her temperment is very defensive.
1a) ...and Lilly's reaction if you don't take her side

2) How Lilly handled relying on Hisao when they were shopping.

3) Lilly's mood around Rin in the scene where Hisao joins her for shopping. Her rhythm is sabotaged everytime Rin opens her mouth.
3a) And Lilly's confession to this point at the scene's end. Proves she isn't comfortable talking to just anyone.

4) Doesn't try to hide her emotions when stress enters the equation. Proves she is human when problems arise, but has the capacity not to project when it's affecting her (for instance the noodle stand during the School Festival).

5)I think it was established either in-game or in-forum that she was raised in a Catholic school, which would be strict about etiquette.

Anybody feel free to add to this.
Well...that's pretty much all the scene she has, isn't it?

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Akira » Sun May 17, 2009 3:25 pm

Well I don't know enough about Lilly just from the demo, being unaware what surprises the dev team have in store.
But I tried this quiz using what I knew of her so far:
http://springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm

She scored 18 which is:
17-21
Probably not a Mary-Sue, although a character can go either way at this point. Fanfiction writers should pay attention to ensure that their characters aren't getting too Sue-ish. For an RPG or original fiction character, however, you're probably perfectly fine.
Resisting the temptation to do the test for everyone else now too :oops:

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Validus Razgriz » Sun May 17, 2009 3:29 pm

Tooltip wrote: That aside, I do have a little...offensive question. Is Lilly a Mary Sue? She does seem to match the description ( blindness aside ), but will she always be like that, or is there anything more to her then that? Or am I just thick?
Here, let me show you how to do a Mary Sue correctly:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BobAndGeorge
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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Bara » Sun May 17, 2009 5:11 pm

Akira wrote:
Resisting the temptation to do the test for everyone else now too :oops:
You better resist for Emi's sake. The only thing Emi seems to show so far in Act 1 is massive ammounts of cute. :roll:

Certainly even following the Emi path in Act 1 Hisao only seems to have shown a lukewarm response to Emi's cuteness and there has not been much revealed yet about Emi herself to form any relationship around. So far:

1. Emi likes to run
1.(a) Emi likes to run a lot
1.(b) see 1.(a)
2. She does not want Hisao to die, particularly if the Nurse might blame her for it.
3. Emi displays a certain ammount of shrewdness about keeping Hisao on a healthy diet for the festival, but Hisao is pretty clearly able to out think her without much trouble.

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Pato2747 » Sun May 17, 2009 6:57 pm

She's not.

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Re: Mary Sue

Post by Bluest Big Bang » Sun May 17, 2009 7:07 pm

She's a nice girl. She was educated in an all-girls school and taught politeness and such, but that doesn't mean she's a sit-up-straight-and-eat-your-vegetables-or-you'll-die kind of girl.

I'll admit I'm not completely familiar with the definition of Mary-Sue, but I know so far that one cannot resemble the creator his/herself in name, appearance, and personality.
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