Semantics, and by the way what you've been posting isn't "reason".emmjay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:05 amUh, no, "This is Hanako" was his first sentence. The words "What Hanako is always like" appear nowhere in his post.
And that's all I'm going to say on this matter, because it's obvious your mind is made up, and no amount of reason will convince you.
Not even close. When all you do is state a contrary claim without evidence, all I have to do to rebut it is say the opposite.Downix wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:09 amYes, it does. The entire closing act, to the point.Disgruntled wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:10 pmNone of the text in it discredits the claims made.
You might misunderstand Hanako even more than the last idiot who was here for years if you think she's some skank who sleeps around and wants casual sex with people she has barely known for a month.AdamL wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:17 amNothing you've read in your life is this bad? I suggest you could read more.
People who start off just friends can have sex. People who've never met before can have sex. People can have sex that isn't perfectly wholesome and fulfilling and orgasmic, and can even have sex when consent is not clear-as-crystal verbally confirmed (they shouldn't, but they do).
I don't see how "full frontal explicit" relates to the rest of your argument.
Hisao wears a condom having sex with Emi at least once; I don't recall every instance of the other routes, and it's probably problematic that he doesn't think about contraception as much as he ideally should, but again, this seems tangential to the central consent issue.
I don't see much "mystery" in why Hisao is "messed up". And his "finishing" (and I speak from personal experience on this) doesn't mean that the sex was wholly enjoyable, or free from any difficulties or uncomfortable moments.
On a tangent, does the OP (or anyone else for that matter) concur then that, if we are to consider Hanako and Hisao's first sexual encounter as a rape, would Shizune and Hisao's first encounter not also fulfil that definition? She does not receive his express permission (taken to its fullest extent *nobody* ever asks "May I have sex with you?" in the whole of KS), but moreover ties his hands to a chair so he is literally unable to give consent to a deaf-mute.
With Emi he has a rubber after they've been together for a while, he doesn't immediately pounce once Emi seems vulnerable.
You clearly don't speak from experience if you think pouncing on someone when they want to show you their trauma, and finishing when they don't is defensible.
And Shizune's might be rape, but trying to derail this thread is futile. If you think Shizune's route is even close to as bad as Hanako's, maybe you can make a thread for it, where nobody will really care since it's not blatantly abusive toward the route's girl.
Weak posts all around, guys.