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Re: Rin and autism

Post by brythain » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:18 am

This is part of why people in the UK don't want to use DSM-V.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Linkarena » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:51 am

I've just realised I've failed to give my opinion on the matter, just attempted to clarify what PDD-NOS is. Well, here goes.

In my opinion: it doesn't matter. We can associate whatever mental disorder we like with Rin's behaviour, but that doesn't change the fact that she's just... Rin. Rin is Rin, and there's no need to label Rin with anything other than... Rin.
I can't really choose a favourite. Probably Hanako. But then who's second?! Rin? Shizune? Lilly? Emi? I can't. I just can't.
Also, little fact: I cry REALLY easily when it comes to entertainment. KS? Got me a few times. Most anime with even a slight amount of sadness? The tears will flooooow.

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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Steinherz » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:37 am

Linkarena wrote:I've just realised I've failed to give my opinion on the matter, just attempted to clarify what PDD-NOS is. Well, here goes.

In my opinion: it doesn't matter. We can associate whatever mental disorder we like with Rin's behaviour, but that doesn't change the fact that she's just... Rin. Rin is Rin, and there's no need to label Rin with anything other than... Rin.
You never what the fuck "PDD-NOS" is. When I see an acronym like that I don't think autism. So can you please say what the hell "PDD-NOS" even means?
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Linkarena » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:59 am

Steinherz wrote:You never what the fuck "PDD-NOS" is. When I see an acronym like that I don't think autism. So can you please say what the hell "PDD-NOS" even means?
PDD-NOS means "pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified". I don't see how the actual term will help you though, and I've already tried to explain what it is. So, whatever, sorry mate.
EDIT: Just realised I'd ALSO said everything in this post previously. Did you even read the earlier posts on the thread?
I can't really choose a favourite. Probably Hanako. But then who's second?! Rin? Shizune? Lilly? Emi? I can't. I just can't.
Also, little fact: I cry REALLY easily when it comes to entertainment. KS? Got me a few times. Most anime with even a slight amount of sadness? The tears will flooooow.

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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Oddball » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:08 pm

In my opinion: it doesn't matter. We can associate whatever mental disorder we like with Rin's behaviour, but that doesn't change the fact that she's just... Rin. Rin is Rin, and there's no need to label Rin with anything other than... Rin.
I feel defining her exact problem and blaming it on a mental illness of any kind actually does a disservice to the character. At that point you're saying, "She's weird because..." rather than accepting that she is just who she is.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Broomhead » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:21 pm

Disclaimer: Not the original creator of her route, nor am I aware of any comments made by the author about her regarding this matter.

I almost feel like that was the point of her route, really. Acceptance, both of yourself and what she is, is a theme all throughout KS, but in Rin's route especially.Most of Hisao's missteps (if I remember correctly) come from trying to put Rin into a box or label her. Most of the choices that move you closer to her GE are you accepting who you are, and who she is, even in absence of understanding the root causes. This is the point of the scene in which you speak to Mutou earlier in the game, and several scenes throughout the various routes call to this. Hisao's awkwardness with Lilly and him discussing how something looks.

Perhaps, of course, I am looking too deeply into the issue. But, that said, I agree with Oddball. There is no understanding Rin. Down that path lies madness.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Munchenhausen » Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:03 pm

Oddball wrote:
In my opinion: it doesn't matter. We can associate whatever mental disorder we like with Rin's behaviour, but that doesn't change the fact that she's just... Rin. Rin is Rin, and there's no need to label Rin with anything other than... Rin.
I feel defining her exact problem and blaming it on a mental illness of any kind actually does a disservice to the character. At that point you're saying, "She's weird because..." rather than accepting that she is just who she is.
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Perhaps, of course, I am looking too deeply into the issue. But, that said, I agree with Oddball. There is no understanding Rin. Down that path lies madness.
This may explain why I didn't like her :P I can't stand it when things don't have definitive explanations or labels :lol:
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Linkarena » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:41 pm

Munchenhausen wrote:This may explain why I didn't like her :P I can't stand it when things don't have definitive explanations or labels :lol:
Which is exactly the problem that causes Hisao to be such an ass in her route.
I can't really choose a favourite. Probably Hanako. But then who's second?! Rin? Shizune? Lilly? Emi? I can't. I just can't.
Also, little fact: I cry REALLY easily when it comes to entertainment. KS? Got me a few times. Most anime with even a slight amount of sadness? The tears will flooooow.

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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Broomhead » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:06 pm

Munchenhausen wrote:This may explain why I didn't like her :P I can't stand it when things don't have definitive explanations or labels :lol:
Maybe you should become a science teac- Oh. Right.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by brythain » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:38 pm

Oddball wrote:I feel defining her exact problem and blaming it on a mental illness of any kind actually does a disservice to the character. At that point you're saying, "She's weird because..." rather than accepting that she is just who she is.
This is wisdom.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Munchenhausen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:05 am

Broomhead wrote:
Munchenhausen wrote:This may explain why I didn't like her :P I can't stand it when things don't have definitive explanations or labels :lol:
Maybe you should become a science teac- Oh. Right.
Alas, the forklift has me now.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Black Knight » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:03 pm

Guys, Rin's medical problem isn't autism. It's that she's missing arms.

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Re: Rin and autism

Post by brythain » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:27 pm

Munchenhausen wrote:
Broomhead wrote:
Munchenhausen wrote:This may explain why I didn't like her :P I can't stand it when things don't have definitive explanations or labels :lol:
Maybe you should become a science teac- Oh. Right.
Alas, the forklift has me now.
It's all right, you're still a heavy lifter.
Post-Yamaku, what happens? After The Dream is a mosaic that follows everyone to the (sometimes) bitter end.
Main Index (Complete)Shizune/Lilly/Emi/Hanako/Rin/Misha + Miki + Natsume
Secondary Arcs: Rika/Mutou/AkiraHideaki | Others (WIP): Straw—A Dream of SuzuSakura—The Kenji Saga.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Mythic » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:05 am

I didnt intend for what I said to cause so much controversy. The reason I said Rin definitely has PDD-NOS is because despite the fact that she has a lot of Autistic traits, she is an individual and cant be fitted into this mold of "Autistic". If you want to know more about what else she might have, look up Caetextia. Because to me, she has a more right brained type of Caetexia.
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Re: Rin and autism

Post by Linkarena » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:21 am

Mythic wrote:Because to me, she has a more right brained type of Caetexia.
To me, she is Rin. I'm just going to stick by my argument that Rin is Rin and that labeling her completely defeats the purpose of her character and her route.
I can't really choose a favourite. Probably Hanako. But then who's second?! Rin? Shizune? Lilly? Emi? I can't. I just can't.
Also, little fact: I cry REALLY easily when it comes to entertainment. KS? Got me a few times. Most anime with even a slight amount of sadness? The tears will flooooow.

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