Anyone else hate Misha?

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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Mirage_GSM » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:44 am

Megumeru wrote:
Nantes wrote:It has been posted in this thread that one needs to know Japanese culture to adequately understand Shizune's route. Is there a FAQ/guide for this that doesn't spoil the story?
There's another discussion board concerning htis...somewhere. I can link you to it if I have the time and can find it.

...can someone else link it for now?
I just skimmed that post, but I don't really consider anything essential to "adequately understand Shizune's route"
In fact Megumeru's explanations probably go further than A22's knowledge on the topic.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Megumeru » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:28 pm

Mirage_GSM wrote: I just skimmed that post, but I don't really consider anything essential to "adequately understand Shizune's route"
In fact Megumeru's explanations probably go further than A22's knowledge on the topic.
It's not essential per-say, but it's what I think are the little bits that lets you understand Shizune's character as a whole (and interpretation on certain scenes that may appear odd or seems to be unrelated).

Whether A22 does it on purpose or accidentally, to me it was the one route that hits me closest to home
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by AlexKidd » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:03 pm

To get back to the initial subject, I wonder how can you "hate" Misha?


(spoiler alert)

When you have completed Shizune's path and you know about Misha's feeling, you understand why she tends to be so loud.
Moreover, even if i would probably be annoyed by her constantly yelling irl, she is a comic relief compared to the boring Shizune in the game, and I also think this is the road where Hisao's thoughts are the funniest (especially the crushed note in the fist)

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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by brythain » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:04 pm

I like Misha. I had breakfast with her the other day. :

(And thank you, BMFJack, for that succinct explanation.)
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by brythain » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:41 pm

So... does anyone else hate Misha?
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Nantes » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:01 pm

brythain wrote:So... does anyone else hate Misha?
Thank you for that PSA :)

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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by scorptatious » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:56 pm

I liked Misha overall. Sure, she can be overbearing at times, to the point where it helped nearly led to some potentially disastrous consequences in a certain route, but she seems like she has a good heart underneath.

Plus I kinda like the dynamic she and Shizune have. I can imagine that Misha's lack of voice control would make it hard for most people to be around her, but since Shizune is deaf, that isn't a problem and they end up working really well together and become close friends. For the most part...

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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by SpunkySix » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:14 am

Even if you find her annoying, I've yet to see a good reason to actually hate her.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Charmant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:43 pm

SpunkySix wrote:Even if you find her annoying, I've yet to see a good reason to actually hate her.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by ProfAllister » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:52 pm

Charmant wrote:
SpunkySix wrote:Even if you find her annoying, I've yet to see a good reason to actually hate her.
[Bad End]
Bad End wrote:Misha contrasts the genial smile on Shizune's face with a lonely expression of her own. If Misha is really jealous of me for stealing Shizune away from her, then it'd only make it worse if all three of us were together. I imagine it'd be like rubbing salt in an open wound. So I get the idea to let them spend time together. I'm not so idealistic that I think a single afternoon to themselves will solve everything, but it might help. It seems like the better option than going with them, because my presence definitely wouldn't help at all.
Hisao: "You two can go have fun, then. I'm going to go to bed early."
Shizune: "Are you sure? It's barely past lunch."
Hisao: "I told you, I don't feel too good today. I think I'm coming down with something."
Shizune: "I thought that you said excuses like that won't work."
She has me there.
Shizune:"It's okay. But refusing someone's invitation is rude. I'll expect you to make it up to me."
Shizune turns around and smiles at Misha, and starts signing something that I can't see. I assume it's along the lines of “it looks like it's just going to be the two of us.”
That's good.

...

Shizune: "When I feel like I'm finished, I wish I could just wipe the slate clean. Whether I succeed or not. I put Misha through a lot, and even dragged you into it. And every point where I could have solved this silly situation, or prevented it from happening in the first place, keeps coming back to me. It's the worst feeling. Especially when I feel like I've done nothing right and everything wrong. Like recently. It's the worst kind of failure. I feel like a failure on every level. I wish I could wipe away everything I've done and just be alone, since all I've done is mess with Misha for two years. And jerk you around for a year for selfish reasons."
Hisao: "It's fine."
Shizune: "No, it's not. You don't understand. I was just thinking about it; everything I do feels like I have to beat someone else. Everyone else, even. If that is how it is, then what are my relationships with people? They almost feel the same."
I can see where this is going.
Shizune: "The point is that I've messed up so many people by being selfish, and now I want to be away from other people for a while."
Hisao: "Even me?"
There's a pause.
Shizune: "Yes."
Followed by an even longer pause, this time from me.
Hisao: "I see. That's the most selfish thing you could do. It's just you making another decision by yourself."
Shizune: "…"
For a minute, it looks as though she's considering the best way to respond, but in the end, she simply nods. Which, I think, is the best way to respond anyway.
It's very like her, to be roundabout even now, but ultimately without excuses.
All my emotions simmer inside me. I see a kettle in front of me, water rolling inside it, so close that I can touch it and feel the heat radiating off of it. I'm glad for the distraction, because I know there's no recourse or bargaining possible.
Shizune: "You told me that everything was fine, but it wasn't true, was it? I can't believe it ever again, then."
Hisao: "All right."
Not even bothering to sign it, I stand up. My hands are in my pockets, fingering my loose change. The morning air is cold against my face. As I look back at her, she seems very lonely. I'm reminded of myself. I've made that expression before. Maybe it's on my face right now. It feels like the image of such a lonely girl will stick in my mind forever. Every moment where I could have prevented this, or solved the problem, comes back to me. It makes me smile in a way without amusement.
Yup, looking at those key scenes, Misha was a bit of a bitch, wasn't she? It's shameful the way she turned Shizune against an entirely blameless Hisao.

Whether you call her a harpy, a strumpet, a morgan, a charmonica, or a marimbat, the fact remains - it was all Misha's fault.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Atario » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:55 pm

I'm not sure I follow shy Hisao should be completely blameless…
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by BMFJack » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:14 pm

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Like, really really sarcastic. And I agree with him. It's why I don't like Shizune. Even if you don't get the Bad End, most of that stuff is still true.

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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by brythain » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:33 pm

BMFJack wrote:Pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Like, really really sarcastic. And I agree with him. It's why I don't like Shizune. Even if you don't get the Bad End, most of that stuff is still true.
It's why am sympathetic to Shizune. She's finally realised why her life is so screwed up, and she's going to take the time to try and grapple with that. Who knows? After the SBE, she might become a wiser and better person, because at the very least, she's learnt something about herself and what she might be able to do about it.

And I can't hate Misha, because she's pretty much the victim of all this—and yet, she will still try her best to muddle through and make something of her own life.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Eurobeatjester » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:51 pm

Charmant wrote:
SpunkySix wrote:Even if you find her annoying, I've yet to see a good reason to actually hate her.
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Re: Anyone else hate Misha?

Post by Ryusashi » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:40 am

To hate or not to hate, that is the question. Whether tis nobler to understand the suffering in her heart, or to comfort her and by comforting, be lonely? To cheat, perhaps to be faithful, ay thats the rub for in that comforting what end may come?
in all seriousness though, think on what she says on the rooftop, and how she phrases things. Is she loud? Omfg yes. Is she annoying? By most standards, yes. Should we hate her? Mehhhhhh. Shes loud so people dont pick up on her loneliness. Anyhooottttt, if you think you're going to hate her even more over the other routes, I suggest going ahead with shizunes route so you'll understand her more. I did opposite and saved for last and realized I disliked her for what she said and now ehat she meant.
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